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    1. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      It is funny that women on the one hand announce that they hate it when they get invited to cons as quota woman. And then they call me sexist for calling out that practice 🤦‍♂️

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    2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 18 Feb 2019
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      I think it's a fallacy that "the bar must have been lowered", you can encourage more submissions from less represented groups and then the percentage of good submissions from that group increases. Doesn't that explain a non-population representative lineup w/o requiring quotas?

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    3. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      When conferences pledge before the CFP that they will have more women in the lineup they openly admit that they will make decisions based on gender and not other criteria.

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    4. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 18 Feb 2019
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      I don't follow, I just gave you an example where that would not be the case, and even a blind review process would naturally produce a lineup with more women?

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    5. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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      Of course you can encourage more people from one group to submit. And of course this might lead to more talks by that group. What I stated was when there is suddenly a very high count of women, which means 50% or more. I simply don't believe it is not due to bias towards them.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 18 Feb 2019
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      I think we agree there are explanations that don't require quotas, but saying you don't believe that happens reads like a huge insult (e.g. "you're only here because the bar was lowered"). You wouldn't say that to someone directly, but I think you missed the implication 🤷‍♂️

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        2. Stefan Esser‏Verified account @i0n1c 18 Feb 2019
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          Oh I agree that my tweet was worded extremely poorly and my attempts to explain it were partially worse. Happens when you are shitstormed.

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        3. Felix Frank‏‏ @felis_rex 18 Feb 2019
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          Look, are you *trying* to make amends here? Because it sure reads as if you're trying to play the victim instead, which is Damore levels of absurd.

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        1. Jan‏ @quackzaahr 18 Feb 2019
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          I agree. It took a few tweets before I understood his chain of reasoning. For those who still don't get it: @i0n1c is making a statistical argument based on the premise that men and women are just as competent.

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