These debates too often boil down to an infosec professional’s recommendation amounting to, “well if you can’t afford to implement all these best possible solutions you shouldn’t even be in business.” Sometimes it takes time to get there, and good enough just has to do until then
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Replying to @TheVega @TibitXimer and
Very strongly disagree, who would ever say that? I've never met anybody who argues it's perfection or nothing, most people in security are practical and realists. The debate here is that 2FA is *not* better than nothing.
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Replying to @taviso @TibitXimer and
It’s never said verbatim, but it often goes that direction. I’m saying not every attacker will know how to bypass 2FA, which is flimsy AF, but that it is still better than nothing in some cases and situations.
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Replying to @TheVega @TibitXimer and
I really think you're misunderstood what someone was saying, who wouldn't pick a minor improvement if the only two options are nothing or improvement? However, I would pick "nothing" if the only options are nothing or homeopathy.
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Replying to @taviso @TibitXimer and
Perhaps I misconstrued something, but I think comparing 2FA to homeopathy is incorrect. 2FA is not as strong a solution as it was, it’s not ideal, and it’s not going to protect anything, but it is better than nothing if options are limited or cost of moving forward is prohibitive
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Replying to @TheVega @TibitXimer and
How about this analogy: You complain that the lock on your door is being picked, so someone suggests adding a second pickable lock on the door. I would say no, it's nonsense solution that will inconvenience you and make you less likely to implement real solution in future.
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You say "trivial". Many orgs say "achievable". And 2FA isn't homeopathy, it's Aspirin. Legitimate but weak. Even the placebo of a second factor is hopefully enough to make an attacker move on.
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I think you've mixed your metaphors here, aspirin is not placebo. We're all on the same page that attackers do have to make changes to accommodate 2FA, that is self-evident. The debate is you think that's worth burning the limited goodwill we have for security, and I don't.
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That limited goodwill has been burned already many times. We’ve gone from passwords to complex passwords you never write to password managers to 2fa to u2f. It’s like listening a schizophrenic. Who takes any advice seriously since it changes to different every time you ask it?
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Yep, totally agree. I guess I'm hoping there's some goodwill left and we can salvage it, but it's not looking good.
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