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    1. Mitja Kolsek‏ @mkolsek 30 Nov 2018
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      Mitja Kolsek Retweeted Chris Wysopal - r00t folding team #258829

      Given the volume of breaches reported and likely many more unreported and undiscovered, it is best to assume everything you share with any company you don't have an NDA signed with is compromised, eventually published data, and act accordingly.https://twitter.com/WeldPond/status/1068489398004658177 …

      Mitja Kolsek added,

      Chris Wysopal - r00t folding team #258829 @WeldPond
      Loyalty programs have a rich set of data. Dunkin’ Donuts yesterday and now this. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/marriott-says-its-starwood-database-was-breached-onapproximately-500-million-guests-.html …
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    2. Eric Lawrence  🎻‏ @ericlaw 30 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mkolsek

      Why would an NDA help?

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    3. Mitja Kolsek‏ @mkolsek 30 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @ericlaw

      An NDA typically covers liability for failure to protect confidential data, opening you up to much more severe punishments than the slap on the wrist that hotels, banks and equifaxes get.

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    4. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 30 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mkolsek @ericlaw

      So you'll get six months of credit monitoring instead of three months?

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    5. Mitja Kolsek‏ @mkolsek 30 Nov 2018
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      So you'll get a lawsuit propelling you out of existence. But okay, I tweemplified it: the NDA is not the cause for trusting a company but correlated to trusting them. I only assume they'll properly protect my data if I believe their not doing it will jeopardize their existence.

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    6. Mitja Kolsek‏ @mkolsek 30 Nov 2018
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      Mitja Kolsek Retweeted Chris Wysopal - r00t folding team #258829

      For example, I'd assume Chris giving his data to this monitoring service is pretty much equivalent to publishing it on darknet. Because if/when they lose it, they won't die.https://twitter.com/WeldPond/status/1068497512028413953 …

      Mitja Kolsek added,

      Chris Wysopal - r00t folding team #258829 @WeldPond
      I signed up for the Starwood monitoring service. It feels strange entering information like SSN and DOB for a free ID monitoring service after a data breach. pic.twitter.com/eic5bWLoJc
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    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 30 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mkolsek @ericlaw

      I know what you're saying; if you don't have an NDA your data is lost, and if you do have an NDA then the company magically grows some competence. It's the latter part I was joking about, because I'll believe it when I see it 😛

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    8. Mitja Kolsek‏ @mkolsek 30 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @ericlaw

      NDA doesn't grow competence. It grows fear. Fear grows diligence. Diligence grows security.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 30 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @mkolsek @ericlaw

      Seems likely there are going to be some firings and congress testimonies in Marriott's future, what more is there to be fearful of? So you have to go to court and argue that credit monitoring is good enough recompense, seems like a cake walk in comparison 😆

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        2. Mitja Kolsek‏ @mkolsek 30 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @taviso @ericlaw

          Probably. Which brings me back to my point: I considered any data I might have given to Marriott and other marriotts compromised the second it left my hands. Because while they had incentive to keep it (for their profit), they had no incentive to prevent unauth access to it.

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        3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 30 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @mkolsek @ericlaw

          Yes, we agree on that part.

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