Pragmatism and realism. If most orgs turned off AV right now, they wouldn't have a network in a week. That's my experience. There's a very long road to getting almost every org to a position where they can be AV free.
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Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and
You're talking about keeping an dangerously insecure network operational, not keeping it secure. You can keep a jet in the air with duct tape, but I hope you're not transporting anything important. So we're in agreement that whitelisting is a good solution, and AV isn't?
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Security and operations go hand in hand. Lots of orgs have vastly under invested in IT and lurch from one near miss to another - they're also still in business. I'm not about idealism because the trench reality is very different outside tech company budgets.
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Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and
Is it idealism to give up on homeopathy when your patients start dying? You say "security and operations go hand in hand", but there exists no security today, and you argue for maintaining that status quo so as not to risk operations!
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Nope, not arguing for status quo. Just saying that, say you've got a crab paste company with 10k staff depending on it - if you uninstall AV, you don't have a company shortly after. Maybe you need a plan to get better, which can include, for example, app whitelisting with AV etc
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Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and
You need a plan of course, nobody would dispute that. It can certainly include a transition period or staged rollout, whatever works to get to safety. I think your position seems to be more nuanced than your flowchart suggested, which people have been pasting at me nonstop
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Twitter, innit. Your position is more nuanced than your average tweet suggests too - it's a terrible platform to use for debates really. I deliberately didn't tag you in that flowchart as it was a throw away, I was game streaming when my phone started buzzing and thought 'oh god'
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Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and
Yeah, although I wish you had made it clearer you were talking about not transitioning away from antivirus without a plan, because lots of people read it as "antivirus makes you secure".
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Replying to @_black_traffic_ @taviso and
I never had a problem with
@taviso or what he was saying. He does great work. AV (and other security stuff) needs more eyes on it as the status is.. not quo.4 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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Replying to @taviso @GossiTheDog and
Sorry, I probably shouldn’t be allowed on Twitter.
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