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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and

      Antivirus is entrenched real good, but you agree it doesn't work and we need to make things better, right? I don't understand the pushback, it's like you're saying "nah it's good enough" to me, then I see you complain how terrible it is in other tweets 😛

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    2. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 15 Nov 2018
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      Pragmatism and realism. If most orgs turned off AV right now, they wouldn't have a network in a week. That's my experience. There's a very long road to getting almost every org to a position where they can be AV free.

      3 replies 1 retweet 15 likes
    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and

      You're talking about keeping an dangerously insecure network operational, not keeping it secure. You can keep a jet in the air with duct tape, but I hope you're not transporting anything important. So we're in agreement that whitelisting is a good solution, and AV isn't?

      5 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    4. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @markeldo and

      Security and operations go hand in hand. Lots of orgs have vastly under invested in IT and lurch from one near miss to another - they're also still in business. I'm not about idealism because the trench reality is very different outside tech company budgets.

      2 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
    5. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and

      Is it idealism to give up on homeopathy when your patients start dying? You say "security and operations go hand in hand", but there exists no security today, and you argue for maintaining that status quo so as not to risk operations!

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @markeldo and

      Nope, not arguing for status quo. Just saying that, say you've got a crab paste company with 10k staff depending on it - if you uninstall AV, you don't have a company shortly after. Maybe you need a plan to get better, which can include, for example, app whitelisting with AV etc

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    7. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @GossiTheDog @markeldo and

      You need a plan of course, nobody would dispute that. It can certainly include a transition period or staged rollout, whatever works to get to safety. I think your position seems to be more nuanced than your flowchart suggested, which people have been pasting at me nonstop ☹️

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Kevin Beaumont‏Verified account @GossiTheDog 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @markeldo and

      Twitter, innit. Your position is more nuanced than your average tweet suggests too - it's a terrible platform to use for debates really. I deliberately didn't tag you in that flowchart as it was a throw away, I was game streaming when my phone started buzzing and thought 'oh god'

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. zedster‏ @z3dster 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @GossiTheDog @taviso and

      you can build a house with no doors and windows and it will be secure but not much of a house. Users just want to do their job and the more security you put in place beyond a certain point the more you push users to try to get around the safe guards, which is worse

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    10. zedster‏ @z3dster 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @z3dster @GossiTheDog and

      AV is part of the toolkit to find a safe balance, you build the house with only a skylight and no doors and a user will break in and chainsaw out a hole in the shape of a door

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 15 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @z3dster @GossiTheDog and

      Look, homeopathy is part of the toolkit to find a safe balance. If you treat the disease with strong medication, the patient will suffer side effects and stop accepting treatment.

      10:29 AM - 15 Nov 2018
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