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    1. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @martijn_grooten @matalaz and

      Honestly, obviously an antivirus industry advocate thinks people should give more money to the antivirus industry. A better story would be hearing you rationalize that, and hear why giving money makes antivirus better. 😛

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    2. Martijn Grooten‏ @martijn_grooten 14 Nov 2018
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      I did not mention money anywhere.

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    3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @martijn_grooten @matalaz and

      The article should be corrected then, it says "Grooten and Simon [...] still [recommend] getting a third-party one". If that doesn't mean "pay money, or get your newtab page hijacked", then what does it mean?

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    4. Martijn Grooten‏ @martijn_grooten 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @matalaz and

      There's free AV (actually, there's a lot of them, including some of the bigger names), but I don't think I discussed with @lorenzofb whether to replace the pre-installed AV.

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    5. James Forshaw‏ @tiraniddo 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @martijn_grooten @taviso and

      How many of the free AV are just a way of upselling the commercial offering? For all its faults at least Defender doesn’t (yet?) pop up adverts everyday saying you’d be better upgrading to Defender Internet Security with Ultimate Phishing Protection.

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    6. Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai‏Verified account @lorenzofb 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @tiraniddo @martijn_grooten and

      A discussion on business models is a very interesting one. But I think if we get into that then we get into how your company makes money and it all gets derailed.

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    7. Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai‏Verified account @lorenzofb 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @lorenzofb @tiraniddo and

      As we suggest in our "guide to not getting hacked" (which is a guide intended for the "average" user), using OSs that have tight controls (ChomeOS, iOS) can be a good solution. But in the real world, not everyone can afford an Apple device, so they buy cheap Androids.

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    8. Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai‏Verified account @lorenzofb 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @lorenzofb @tiraniddo and

      And ChromeOS is hard to use for many things you need everyday.

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    9. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @lorenzofb @tiraniddo and

      As opposed to Windows, which is so simple for everyday users to use, that you believe you need to subscribe to a crappy third party product just to make it safe enough to use?

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    10. Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai‏Verified account @lorenzofb 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @taviso @tiraniddo and

      I don't know if I believe that. This is why this story was so hard to write. I don't know the answer to these questions. And as this discussion proved, very smart people in this world fundamentally disagree too.

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      Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 14 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @lorenzofb @tiraniddo and

      I dunno, your article reads like you didn't have any problems reaching a conclusion. I didn't finish it with the feeling that you were trying to say "smart people disagree", I got more of a "get out your chequebook if you want to be safe" vibe...

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        2. Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai‏Verified account @lorenzofb 14 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @taviso @tiraniddo and

          If we want to recap other people's arguments, I'd say yours also boils down to "get out your chequebook if you want to be safe."

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        3. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 14 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @lorenzofb @tiraniddo and

          I fail to see how, last I checked, not installing antivirus was free?

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