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    Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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    There are many insightful reactions to the critiques of the #1619Project circulating, and I thought I might add one small contribution. Wilentz's latest concludes w/ Du Bois, and that rubbed me the wrong way. I'll explain in this thread.https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/1619-project-new-york-times-wilentz/605152/ …

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      2. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        Wilentz is still arguing against @nhannahjones (and her editor), ie, against the Black woman who is behind the project and who is not a History prof. He is unwilling to concede that she might have a different (but legit) interpretation of history than he does.

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      3. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        I also think he misreads her essay. He says she didn't argue that advances in freedom in the US have come from Black political mobilization. But she did. That is the primary takeaway that I gleaned the day it was posted online.pic.twitter.com/X4CGqZo9Bf

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      4. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        And, as the new @BostonReview piece points out, this has been a longstanding debate in US historiography. It's not even a 2-sided debate. The scholars I agree w/ would tend to argue that Black freedom dreams couldn't be contained by the US nation-state (a view not in 1619 Proj).

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      5. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        Lemme begin my main point: as others have pointed out, among other problems, it's ridic for him to act as though historians traffic only in facts, not interpretations. And I got uncomfortable when he brought Black Reconstruction into the debate to make this point.

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      6. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        These days, a lot of people are reading BR, and many would agree it's the greatest book of history ever written in the US. But Wilentz is mobilizing that popularity and its contemporary esteem against the very reason it's now popular--ie, because it rejected racist orthodoxy.

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      7. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        How BR rejected racist orthodoxy is what's important here. Wilentz's two paragraphs about Du Bois argue that what Du Bois did with BR was to mobilize "facts" for the purpose of "historical accuracy." Here's the first one.pic.twitter.com/6xiW79BZR7

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      8. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        It's OK, but I am getting nervous when he's talking about the Dunning School ignoring or suppressing facts. Those dudes "suppressed" the idea that Black people were capable of self-government. That was part of why Du Bois called their work "propaganda."

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      9. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        If it's merely a question of facts, then the book's initial failure to catch on is inexplicable. Finally, the right facts became available! Facts, Wilentz seems to believe, should be impervious to politics (see David Levering Lewis's intro to BR on the politics of its reception).

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      10. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        But then Wilentz starts to use Du Bois for his own purposes, which is to conflate Wilentz's overall INTERPRETATION with FACTS simply b/c Du Bois also used the word "facts." (Du Bois also pointed out that he had a theory of history...which Wilentz pretends he himself doesn't.)pic.twitter.com/sxVyAoQbcm

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      11. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        I'd argue that Du Bois used the word "facts" often in a tendentious, argumentative, and ironic way--b/c he was fighting racism that masqueraded as unimpeachable fact. He was using the words of propagandists against the propaganda. Dunning wasn't "sloppy." He was an expert racist.

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      12. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        But the more I thought about this, the more I realized that Wilentz either doesn't get what Du Bois did or is intentionally misrepresenting it. For this, I'm relying on Thomas C. Holt's article from 2013 in South Atlantic Quarterly on Black Reconstruction. https://read.dukeupress.edu/south-atlantic-quarterly/article-abstract/112/3/419/3632/A-Story-of-Ordinary-Human-Beings-The-Sources-of-Du?redirectedFrom=fulltext …

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      13. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        One of Holt's arguments, which he's worked on for his entire career, is about how it was possible for Du Bois to write his revolutionary interpretation of Reconstruction w/o access to primary sources. (Basically, he & Foner later confirmed Du Bois's analysis w/ primary sources.)pic.twitter.com/I5vGBipEPh

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      14. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        Holt observes that Du Bois actually cited a number of racist works about the period. These were the source of his "facts." And that raises a puzzle about how he arrived at his interpretation.pic.twitter.com/Pu86UIjkrb

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      15. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        And Holt cautiously makes the grounded claim, which I would amplify, that Du Bois was able to argue that ordinary Black people made a political movement and a political revolution not b/c of the primary sources available to him but b/c he TALKED to ordinary Black people.pic.twitter.com/F7yi9XuP5k

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      16. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        Du Bois was both a historian and a sociologist, and in his sociological work, he spoke to ordinary Black folks, some of whom would've lived through Reconstruction or would've been of the very next generation. He learned his facts about the past through contemporary ethnography.

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      17. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        In other words, Du Bois's interpretation of the political capacity of ordinary Black people to work together, to organize, to imagine democratic political worlds that did not yet exist--these came from listening to Black people talk about their lives in/after Reconstruction.

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      18. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        (There is another story to be told, which is partly present in Aldon Morris's incredible book The Scholar Denied about how this research on the rural South also influenced Max Weber and may even have tamped down Max's tendency toward racist bile.)

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      19. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        When I taught Du Bois last semester in Social Theory, I spent some time on these "methodological" points about BR because I don't think you can fully appreciate Du Bois's theory without them.

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      20. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        It strikes me as deeply cynical to wield Du Bois in this way: essentially to argue that Du Bois would support claims that he actually wouldn't and to use Du Bois, popular among anti-racists/radicals, to score points and fuel the backlash against anti-racist thinking.

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      21. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        That Wilentz doesn't see a contemporary replay of Du Bois vs Dunning in Hannah-Jones vs him/WSWS is astonishing. It's also just odd that his primary beef w/ this amazing Black woman writer seems to be that she's not crediting white ppl enough for sometimes not being racist.

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      22. Stuart Schrader‏Ovjeren akaunt @stschrader1 25. sij
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        Do I expect to agree with everything I read? Um, no. But grumbling about an epochal transformation in historical interpretation that puts anti-racism at the forefront, while the US is where it's at today, seems a bit like a lost cause to me.

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