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I build games, make apps, and hack things ⚣ Catalyst Evangelist. If you like my work, please help out my Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/steventroughtonsmith …

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    1. Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17

      "You can't use bitcode to recompile an ARM iOS app for x86_64 macOS" — hold my beer^WRed Bull [wherein I extract the bitcode from an arm64 iOS binary and recompile it as x86_64 and run it on macOS]pic.twitter.com/WsdSaxSQtm

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    2. Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17

      Bluff: calledpic.twitter.com/bafJCyuE4q

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      Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17

      Let's go further! Let's take an iOS GUI app, compiled for arm64 with bitcode, extract the bitcode, recompile it for x86_64, and then run it through marzipanify to let it run on Marzipan. Why yes, this works too. Bitcode can recompile iOS apps for macOS that easilypic.twitter.com/RROu5Rp51s

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        2. Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17

          I might come back and try something more complex tomorrow, but I hope I’ve shown that bitcode absolutely could be a BFD re the next two big Apple transitions: iOS apps on the Mac, and macOS on ARM. It can both recompile iOS apps for x86 Macs, and recompile x86 Mac apps for ARM

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        3. Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17

          OK here's a bit more of an example app; input: arm64 iOS app, output x86_64 Marzipan app. Uses the bitcode in the ARM binary and recompiles it for Intelpic.twitter.com/pHAvKlRZ4b

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        4. Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17

          *waves at @clattner_llvm* 😄

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        5. Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17

          I’ll compose a blog post tomorrow with a little more detail, if I don’t get distracted first

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        2. Ron 🔹‏ @TechRonic9876 May 17
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          Is bitcode the same as the llvm IR?

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        3. Steve Troughton-Smith‏Verified account @stroughtonsmith May 17
          Replying to @TechRonic9876

          Yes

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        1. Graham Perks‏ @grahamperks May 17
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          You’re telling me there won’t even be a checkbox in Xcode for this transition.

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        1. Guilherme Rambo‏ @_inside May 18
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          That escalated quickly!

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        1. Dan Gilliam‏ @dgilliam May 17
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          So would this technique work to convert some arbitrary iOS app that I just grabbed from the App Store? I assume they’re thinned for download so no bitcode... but this thread is making me question all my assumptions 🤔

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        2. Steve‏ @littlesteve May 17
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          bUt BiTcOdE dOeSn'T wOrK lIkE tHaTpic.twitter.com/ToQ9mKMY9b

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        3. Mark Bessey‏ @mbessey May 17
          Replying to @littlesteve @stroughtonsmith

          To be fair, it didn’t used to work that way, but a lot of work went into LLVM to enable less-restricted retargeting.

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        4. Zalie‏ @ZalieTsu May 18
          Replying to @mbessey @littlesteve @stroughtonsmith

          How does it handle the ABI differences in variadic functions? iOS's arm64 variadic ABI is rather unique.

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        1. wooliegeek‏ @wooliegeek May 17
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          Seems to me there is a utility that could come out of this work, where iOS frameworks and apps can have simulator versions made relatively easily (as long as you’ve checked bitcode). 🤔

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        1. Nicola Frigerio‏ @xgear91 May 18
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          It all sound good, but VM that run windows on top of MacOS? They will exist in a Marzipan and arm world?

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        1. Julian Schiavo @ WWDC19‏ @justJS_dev May 17
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          Uhh maybe I misunderstand (and it’s probably not worth it this close to dub dub) but could this allow marzipanification or random App Store apps?

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        1. not Dan Riccio‏ @DanRiccioParody May 18
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          All I understood was, Let’s take some apple slices convert them to whole apples and run it through the oven so that you can get a blueberry pie. 😅🤣

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        2. Lon Baker‏ @lonbaker May 17
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          I sense a new 12” MacBook with an Ax CPU lurking in Cupertino ;)

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        3. Shameer Mulji‏ @shameermulji May 17
          Replying to @lonbaker @stroughtonsmith

          If this laptop is running a legacy-free macOS that will run only App Store apps, I bet money it won’t be branded a Mac

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        1. Brian Hough‏ @bwhough May 17
          Replying to @stroughtonsmith

          When do you think we'll get the transition announcement? I had previously thought WWDC 19 but now thinking that's too soon. Next summer?

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        1. StayPuftZombie‏ @StayPuftZombie May 17
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          This is just super impressive tech prowess. Genuine kudos

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