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Assistant Professor of Economics. Econ history, political economy, development @monashuni. I’m a principal investigator at http://SoDalabs.io . #RStats

Melbourne via Cambridge
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    1. Nathan Lane‏ @straightedge Jan 17

      Nathan Lane Retweeted David Clingingsmith

      While studying in Cambridge, I once gave a conference talk. A giant in my field was in attendance and gave me nice input. 1/Nhttps://twitter.com/dclingi/status/1085645130839687172 …

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      David Clingingsmith @dclingi
      I've been thinking a lot about this thread and how to respond to it. I was trained at a top institution and now work at a non-top institution. I've published in a top-five journal, but "only" once. 1/n https://twitter.com/simardcasanova/status/1084962269719678976 …
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    2. Nathan Lane‏ @straightedge Jan 17

      Long after my affiliation changed, I presented the same slides at another large conference. The only difference: my affiliation. 2/N

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    3. Nathan Lane‏ @straightedge Jan 17

      The Giant happened to be in attendance again. He seemed pensive. 3/N

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    4. Nathan Lane‏ @straightedge Jan 17

      After my presentation he came up to me, patted me on the back and said... 4/N

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    5. Nathan Lane‏ @straightedge Jan 17

      “Sorry, but there’s a kid at Harvard doing a similar study. It’s much better.” He didn’t realize we were the same person. 5/N

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      Nathan Lane‏ @straightedge Jan 17

      I recall the aha moment: realizing that the benefit of a doubt hinges on these affiliations and capital. As someone who never thought I’d go to college, or grad school, I was naive about just how deeply these things matter/mattered. I’m still learning how internalized they are.

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        2. Yuen Yuen Ang‏ @yuenyuenang Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          Thanks for sharing this illuminating story. One silver lining of these incidents is that they help us 👀 biases that we otherwise don't notice or even think about.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Nathan Lane‏ @straightedge Jan 18
          Replying to @yuenyuenang

          This is a great point

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        4. Yuen Yuen Ang‏ @yuenyuenang Jan 18
          Replying to @straightedge

          We *all* have biases, myself included. To check mine, I sometimes do an experiment in my head, "If this person were [change identity label], what do I think?" Your story is an excellent experiment played out in reality.

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        1. alex zawacki‏ @AChillGhost Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          Did you tell him

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        2. Weltgeist is fugazi‏ @Sociopathblog Jan 18
          Replying to @straightedge

          This is a great lesson from a case study. Sociologically speaking, a scientist is a venue where the sum of his/her capitals, including affiliations, reputation, grants, is invested in research output. Actually, you were *not* the same person, i.e. intersection point in a grid.

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        3. Weltgeist is fugazi‏ @Sociopathblog Jan 18
          Replying to @Sociopathblog @straightedge

          Weltgeist is fugazi Retweeted Nathan Lane

          This is #Bourdieu crossed with David #Lodge.https://twitter.com/straightedge/status/1085868066645336064?s=19 …

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          Nathan Lane @straightedge
          While studying in Cambridge, I once gave a conference talk. A giant in my field was in attendance and gave me nice input. 1/N https://twitter.com/dclingi/status/1085645130839687172 …
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        1. Heather Mendick‏ @helensclegel Jan 18
          Replying to @straightedge

          This is also how it is in England where we have an increasingly hierarchical university system. The institution you're at affects your chances of getting funding and so becomes a self reinforcing system.

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        1. Nathan Jensen‏ @NateMJensen Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          Wow! That’s crazy!

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        1. Hoo in Hooville‏ @brewstronomy Jan 19
          Replying to @straightedge

          If I'm being positive, at least they remembered your work. This makes me wonder about the pros/cons of affiliation: on one hand, it makes it easier for people to find you. On the other hand, it can obscure you behind institutional prestige.

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        1. RockingAround‏ @RockingAroond Jan 19
          Replying to @straightedge

          PS credit to you for realising this

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        1. RockingAround‏ @RockingAroond Jan 19
          Replying to @straightedge

          As a rule of thumb: (*value* of intellectual contribution) = (intellectual contribution)/ (distance from well-connected, white, tall, deep-voiced male).

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        2. Hassan Tawfiq‏ @HTawfiq1 Jan 19
          Replying to @straightedge

          @threadreaderapp Unroll.

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        3. Thread Reader App‏ @threadreaderapp Jan 19
          Replying to @HTawfiq1

          Bonjour the unroll you asked for: Thread by @straightedge: "While studying in Cambridge, I once gave a conference talk. A giant in my field was in attendance and gave me nice input […]" https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1085868066645336064.html … Enjoy :) 🤖

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        1. Katherine Eriksson‏ @K_A_Eriksson Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          I had very similar experiences after moving from cal poly to uc davis. I was the SAME person! Not quite that stark though

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        1. Jonah Rexer‏ @xtrexer Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          wish you could name and shame

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        1. Katherine Rye Jewell, Ph.D.‏ @katisjewell Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          I mean, I SUSPECT at conferences (some) people look at my name tag/affiliation and judge, but rarely do we get tangible proof...

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        1. Tylney Taylor‏ @TylneyT Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          Well actually they don’t matter. What matters is exposing the unfounded and unfair bias in the “highly respected educated person”, which may also be tainting their other work. If I’d be an employer I’d like to know!

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        1. Michael J. Orlando‏ @waitwhateconomy Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          Thanks for sharing that natural experiment. I'm shocked that anyone is shocked. Maybe it's just too easy to recognize the privileges we're denied; while our default position on the privileges we enjoy is that they have been earned.

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        1. Jason Syversen‏ @JSyversen Jan 17
          Replying to @straightedge

          Interesting data point. I wouldn’t overstate the organizational role though... the first time the talk made an impression. Hearing the same idea from a “second person” is less impressive, regardless of org. I suspect that played a much bigger role than institution IMHO.

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