stellacreasy

I didn't suggest restricting movements Stella, merely suggested possibility of a choice. But retaining guards on all trains is essential.

if a woman sat in mixed carriage and then attacked, would she be culpable? not choice but judgement on us all if can’t be safe everywhere..

Because policy-making on the hoof is never a good idea, and this is the most egregious example so far this summer? Whatever next?

well said, Stella

Do either of you have a practical suggestion?

People are apparently not reporting it which makes no sense to me. CCTV needs to be in place and working.

CCTV working in place & working, BTP Cops & PCSOs on trains visible, get BTP intel systems geo locate & target, upskill all train staff 1/2

Yes, but in general this is an issue of education. Women targeted daily with both verbal & physical transgressions, public education needed.

Stop normalising 'normal' male behaviour. Men need to stop self victimising and stand up for women's rights to be free from harassment.

Spot on, I guess I joined in discussion to try & think of some solutions, defender here always have been ask those who know me!!

That's good! Sorry, I'm not antagonising, it's just something many women have to deal with in their daily lives while most men don't....

How is offering women only carriages "restricting choice"? Genuine question. I don't think the idea is to force women to use them?

If a woman chooses not to use it and then gets attacked, would that be her fault? 'Well, madam, why weren't you in the ladies' carriage?'

No, of course not. But it does add a restriction to men to offer a place where women can feel safe. It's far from a perfect idea but is....

....seeking consultation on the issue that bad? Taking the idea to a worst case scenario that was never suggested seems a touch dishonest

Quite. I think there's a (right-wing) culture of making bad faith arguments, that sometimes sincere people inadvertently fall for.

Always helpful if it can fit in to a trope too.

It's not dishonest though, is it. The suggestion is to offer purportedly safer segregated carriages for women, but not enforce them...

The logical extension of that would suggest that I'd be taking an allegedly less safe option by refusing to segregate myself from men.