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    1. Tim Burks ‏@timburks Jan 28 Los Altos, CA

      Tim Burks Retweeted Sam Griffith

      https://open.spotify.com/track/3kNIXrf4wOLxBh40tA5NtN …https://twitter.com/staypufd/status/692949478031101952 …

      Tim Burks added,

      Sam Griffith @staypufd
      More examples of Swift being more complex and dangerous than Obj-C. Seven Swift Snares & How to Avoid Them - Swift https://developer.ibm.com/swift/2016/01/27/seven-swift-snares-how-to-avoid-them/ …
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    2. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jan 29

      @timburks @staypufd These are all things we hope to remove or provide diagnostics for in 3.0, at least.

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      Sam Griffith ‏@staypufd Jan 29

      @jckarter @timburks Good. Swift for all its newness is going down a path much like C++ did as far as complexity. That is worrisome.

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        1. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jan 29

          @staypufd @timburks Unlike C++ we're willing to shed complexity if things end up not working well or can be replaced by simpler rules.

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        3. Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher Jan 29

          @jckarter @staypufd @timburks That’s a great! Question: how far are you willing to backtrack? After all, diagnostics add complexity. Also, …

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        4. Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher Jan 29

          Marcel Weiher Retweeted Orta Therox

          @jckarter @staypufd @timburks see https://twitter.com/orta/status/693091042497806337 … on initialisers, compare with Chris’s response to http://blog.metaobject.com/2014/06/remove-features-for-greater-power-aka.html …

          Marcel Weiher added,

          Orta Therox @orta
          Swift’s init rules are confusing. I’ve never once got anything non-trivial right first time Seeing a lot of Shia https://twitter.com/orta/status/669988319766384640 …
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        6. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jan 29

          @mpweiher @staypufd @timburks Swift inherited its complex initializer rules from Cocoa's informal evolved rules.

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        8. Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher Jan 29

          @jckarter @staypufd @timburks As the post states: ObjC has *one* rule, which is that “initialisers” are normal message sends.

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        10. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jan 29

          @mpweiher @staypufd @timburks At the language level, yes. The simple language model leads to complex, unenforced framework-level rules.

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        12. Helge Heß ‏@helje5 Jan 29

          @jckarter @mpweiher @staypufd @timburks Unenforced? Yes. Complex? I don't see that. Behaves exactly like any other method. 0 surprise.

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        13. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jan 29

          @helje5 @mpweiher @staypufd @timburks Until init invokes a method that a subclass overrode thinking it would only be called after init…

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