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    Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

    To understand my skepticism of some microbiome research, first you have to think of the outcomes that are being studied... 1/

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      2. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        The microbiome, being made up from a large number of different organisms, is of course highly multi-dimensional, even at the phylum level. One (of several) challenges with this is the large number of "researcher degrees of freedom" these kind of data afford us.

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      3. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        I could look at overall measures of diversity (and there are several of these), as well as changes in specific taxa, of which there will be many.

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      4. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        So for some studies, I would be much more impressed if the researchers told me what they expected to find and why before they analyzed the data.

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      5. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        Most of the time, simply saying that changes were found is profoundly boring in my opinion, because we now know how sensitive the microbiome is to many seemingly benign factors. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21986-7 …pic.twitter.com/yG8aUOAp4V

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      6. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        Another problem is that microbiome data are compositional in nature. Due to how the microbiome is measured, what we usually have are proportional measures of the different organisms.

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      7. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        Thus, if something goes up, then something else (or many somethings else) must go down, since the total proportion must still equal one.

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      8. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        This throws off "traditional" statistical methods in ways that many still don't seem to understand, despite this being a problem that goes back to Karl Pearson. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2017.02224/full …pic.twitter.com/25c3vehlNO

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      9. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        Recognizing this problem is just half the battle though - let's just say that actually dealing with it is on the "advanced" side of stats and maths, and imo relatively few people out their appear to be credible in their approaches.

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      10. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        So if I think about the general lack of statistical thinking and input into many "simple" analyses, I find it hard to believe that even most of the groups out there analyzing microbiome data have got a grip on it.

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      11. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 17 Oct 2018

        The final thing, which is way out of my wheelhouse, is that generating the data for analysis is a really tricky thing in and of itself, requiring a high level of expertise. So beware! https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-018-0029-9 … /end

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      12. Darren L Dahly‏ @statsepi 18 Oct 2018

        Darren L Dahly Retweeted Elisabeth Bik

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        Note that lots of the taxa they found in the "blood microbiome" are taxa flagged in the Salter paper as kit contaminants (found in blank control). E.g. Kocuria, Stenotrophomonas, Xanthomonas. Salter paper: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7007/12/87 
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