Four-way stops are degenerate roundabouts.
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I mean this in a geometric sense: you have traffic flows from different directions pointed at each other, and traffic proceeds in pulses through them. In SF you frequently see four-way stops where cars have all but given up on truly stopping.
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I hold that any four-way stop in a city should be rehabilitated into a traffic vortex (roundabout or traffic circle) instead of trying to dealer-shuffle cars at each other through intersections.
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Replying to @starsandrobots
I am with you. But SF also tried them and the learning curve/change aversion is real. It’s like our addiction to standard vs metric.
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Replying to @gretared
My abiding hope and faith in human ability to learn new things is definitely in play, but also four way stops seem bad and worse the more usage they see - an impediment to density. You’ve got to move in the right direction.
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Entire countries have switched from left-side to right-side driving before, so I feel confident that there is a way to move to roundabouts. Perhaps the rollout and not the roundabout is the issue?
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