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    1. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017

      Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃 Retweeted failnight

      This story is amazing on its own, but something revealing: Apple's factory workers steal for rewards because they aren't paid a living wage.https://twitter.com/failnaut/status/877193889546997760 …

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      oh my god https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/6/20/15837522/apple-internal-presentation-leaks … pic.twitter.com/8O9Sx16x4U
      1 reply 40 retweets 43 likes
    2. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @justkelly_ok

      pic.twitter.com/J7553ZpBII

      2 replies 7 retweets 8 likes
    3. Star Simpson‏ @starsandrobots 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @justkelly_ok

      Are you sure that's "not a living wage"? 2100RMB/mo I anecdotally believe this is enough to live on + remit or save

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. matt gamBOOgi‏ @mgambogi 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @starsandrobots @justkelly_ok

      I did a quick search and this site http://www.expatarrivals.com/china/beijing/cost-of-living-in-beijing … claims ¥7000/mo for an unfurnished 2br in Beijing

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      Star Simpson‏ @starsandrobots 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @mgambogi @justkelly_ok

      I paid less than half that for a 3br right at Tsinghua (in the fancy/tech district) in Beijing which again is not where the factories are

      9:36 AM - 20 Jun 2017
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        2. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @starsandrobots @mgambogi

          New York-based China Labor Watch contends that those workers are not paid a living wage.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Keith Lea 📱‏ @keithkml 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @justkelly_ok @starsandrobots @mgambogi

          Sure but I'm having trouble verifying that. Do you know of any primary sources for cost of living in the neighborhoods near Foxconn?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @keithkml @starsandrobots @mgambogi

          Here's a link to that report. https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_149797703806916&key=ce074976249105acf14d8c9cf69bdcd1&libId=j45sp7f501003n6p000MAgsa8vsh&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnet.com%2Fnews%2Flow-wages-and-long-hours-still-persist-at-iphone-factory-claims-labor-group%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chinalaborwatch.org%2Fupfile%2F2015_10_21%2F2015.10%2520Apple%2520Pegatron%2520report%2520FINAL--compress.pdf&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&title=Low%20wages%2C%20long%20hours%20persist%20at%20iPhone%20factory%2C%20says%20labor%20group%20-%20CNET&txt=China%20Labor%20Watch%20made%20the%20allegations%20in%20a%20new%20report …

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        5. Keith Lea 📱‏ @keithkml 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @justkelly_ok @starsandrobots @mgambogi

          Hmm so you think wages are bad even with the $44/mo meal subsidy, 1.5x overtime, free shuttles, and $25/mo rent?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @keithkml @starsandrobots @mgambogi

          I trust experts who say the conditions are bad, and after reading that report, I understand completely why workers would be tempted to leak.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @justkelly_ok @keithkml

          Perhaps Uber employees are not exactly in the best position to lecture others on appropriate workplace conditions.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Keith Lea 📱‏ @keithkml 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @justkelly_ok

          Rude!

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @keithkml

          Where is the lie?

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        2. Star Simpson‏ @starsandrobots 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @starsandrobots @mgambogi @justkelly_ok

          Also: posted rate not negotiated rate, the questionable trustworthiness numbers on the internet about appt prices in China (broadly) etc

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Star Simpson‏ @starsandrobots 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @starsandrobots @mgambogi @justkelly_ok

          These numbers aren't what we can conceive of being able to live on in the US in USD but it's a different scenario in practice

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @starsandrobots @mgambogi

          I'm well aware of the difference in cost of living, and going from reports by labor groups.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Kill-y Ellis  🔪 🎃‏Verified account @justkelly_ok 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @justkelly_ok @starsandrobots @mgambogi

          They also have to work significantly longer hours than what we'd consider normal, which would be another incentive.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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