Hypothesis: most (esp older) San Franciscans haven't been to New York in the last 5-10 years and associate density with crime ..
Hence the prevailing belief and argument that "they'll build it up til it's like NY" is true & bad.
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Fights over upzoning that would permit high-rise development in historically low-rise hoods are no less fractious in NY
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I mean specifically the idea that "they'll turn this place into New York" is an epithet
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We have similar rubrics but with different cautionary dystopias, eg: “The Brooklyn Flatbush corridor is turning into Dubai!”
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The desire to differentiate from NY is real, though, and in large part aesthetic/stylistic. Plus earthquakes.
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older men at my local coffee dispensary were grousing about New Yorkiness this morning which is when/how this clicked for me
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The other horrible non-secret is that SF isn't nearly as progressive as we like to think of ourselves.
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AFAICT is a widespread belief pretty much everywhere outside urbs. Memories of white flight run strong.
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My Minneapolis parents were very scared of NYC/Boston/DC until their kids actually lived there for a while.
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I don't think SF will ever become like HK as far as density. At least not without significant infrastructure improvements.
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There isn't even enough power to grow SF into something much denser currently. No new DCs are being built here either.
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