Hence the prevailing belief and argument that "they'll build it up til it's like NY" is true & bad.
Hypothesis: most (esp older) San Franciscans haven't been to New York in the last 5-10 years and associate density with crime ..
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Fights over upzoning that would permit high-rise development in historically low-rise hoods are no less fractious in NY
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I mean specifically the idea that "they'll turn this place into New York" is an epithet
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We have similar rubrics but with different cautionary dystopias, eg: “The Brooklyn Flatbush corridor is turning into Dubai!”
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Corollary: Many SF/Bay area residents live in a bubble and don't think much for or about what happens outside
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not so sure of this myself
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Interesting theory. As a New Yorker, SF has felt more crimey to me than Manhattan has for a long time.
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as a San Franciscan who seems to be in NY every 3 months or so, I would agree
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It's weirder than that. Oakland is a stronger crime association for many, and probably LA for some people.
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certainly the antimanhattization meme started in 80s.
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all new rentals (& almost everything built now is rental) are called "condos" by opponents because of 90s political fights
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I feel as though SF has been turning into something like this, but it didn't used to feel that way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZk24MA7TE …
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Unsure. I think SF is unhealthily dense. NYC seemed better when I visited. The subway helps immensely.
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