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    1. elle‏ @ellegist 11 Oct 2020
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      pet peeve: “what are your salary expectations?” no. tell me how much you’re paying and I will decide whether or not it’s worth my time asking employees to set their own salary is going to disproportionately privilege men

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    3. Martin Seebach‏ @mseebach 11 Oct 2020
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      They're never in genuine good faith. The first party to name a number yields significant negotiation power, and the company is using its already larger power to force the applicant to yield.

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    4. MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 11 Oct 2020
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      Woah what? The opposite is true. Heard of anchoring? The first person to name a number has an advantage of anchoring the conversation in their favour (high for the employee, low for the employer). If employer asks salary expectations, candidate should say a really high number.

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    5. Martin Seebach‏ @mseebach 11 Oct 2020
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      That presumes the candidate knows what's on the table. In a job interview situation, that's practically never true. In order for anchoring to work, you have to pick a number that's high, but at least near the range, or you risk anchoring at "lunatic, back away slowly".

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    6. Martin Seebach‏ @mseebach 11 Oct 2020
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      This is why employers insist on salary secrecy, if it's too easy to discover the range, then this is of course what everyone should do.

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    7. Martin Seebach‏ @mseebach 11 Oct 2020
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      Martin Seebach Retweeted Martin Seebach

      The reason this 👇 works is that it's a lot of work to find a good candidate in most non-trivial fields, and once one is found, it's deeply in the employers interest not to scare them away rather than saving a little money - they're anchored on "hire".https://twitter.com/mseebach/status/1315241631071825923?s=19 …

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      “I’m not comfortable sharing my current salary. I would prefer to focus on the value I can add to this company rather than what I’m paid at my current job. I don’t have a specific number in mind for a desired salary, and...
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      MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 11 Oct 2020
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      Replying to @mseebach @loudest_love @ellegist

      I'm sassy so I like to try it because bad negotiators often let slip the range afterwards to dunk on you. Then if I really want, I can turn it into the sentiment you've quoted here. I'll say "I've said a silly number because we're actually here to talk about how I add value...."

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        2. Martin Seebach‏ @mseebach 11 Oct 2020
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          That's fair, but you need to be fairly certain what's silly. Someone I know decided to ask 60 (thinking it's high, current 45), but tried that line and got "well, we're thinking 80, but could probably do 90 for the right fit".

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        3. Martin Seebach‏ @mseebach 11 Oct 2020
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          And of course also being comfortable being sassy, that's not easy to fake. The magic line works fine without sass.

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