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    1. MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 23 Feb 2020
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      MetaJess Retweeted Richard Dawkins

      Apparently, plenty of people understood this tweet to mean Dawkins is in favor of eugenics. This type of mistake happens alot. Some people I know say that Dawkins should have expected/mitigated that. I disagree. I think it's the audience's job to work to understand the speaker.https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1228943686953664512 …

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      Richard DawkinsVerified account @RichardDawkins
      It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.
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      MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 23 Feb 2020
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      This tweet is to lay out my own opinion on this category of error, which I may call "the is-ought confusion", so that you can choose whether or not to be friends with me. I'm not very interested in the specifics of this particular example.

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        1. Dan listens to perilous extrapolations‏ @danlistensto 23 Feb 2020
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          It's become so pervasive that I've come to think it's not an error but an intentional hostile reading.

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        1. Greg Dember‏ @GregDember 23 Feb 2020
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          I'm on the same side as you on Is-Ought. What has really disturbed me is that I've even seen people dismiss the Is-Ought distinction itself as a way of hiding from the moral dimensions of the "ought." So they are inherently suspicious of people who care about Is-Ought.

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        1. Adam Robbert‏ @AE_Robbert 23 Feb 2020
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          The is-ought distinction was clear enough in my head from the start, but as @cognazor pointed out (and as I tried to say some days ago) the “is” part isn’t itself innocent or straightforwardly obvious either. Absolutely worth pushing back against, in my opinion.

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        2. Willard‏ @nevaudit 23 Feb 2020
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          it's harder to maintain an is-ought distinction with a "would" like richard did, for he has no real evidence for his counterfactual claim the fact-value dichotomy also matters quite a bit, and is untenable

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        3. Arbutus Tree‏ @aphercotropist 23 Feb 2020
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          There is no fact/value dichotomy, it is a fuzzy entangled distinction. And when you talk about what "works", you are maximally entangling the two.https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674013803 …

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        1. Earthly Path‏ @earthlypath 23 Feb 2020
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          The popular term for it is 'cognitive decoupling', originally coined by Everything Studies. Dawkins' tweet prompted @TomChivers to write about it here https://unherd.com/2020/02/eugenics-is-possible-is-not-the-same-as-eugenics-is-good/ ….

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