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    MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 23 Feb 2020
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    MetaJess Retweeted Richard Dawkins

    Apparently, plenty of people understood this tweet to mean Dawkins is in favor of eugenics. This type of mistake happens alot. Some people I know say that Dawkins should have expected/mitigated that. I disagree. I think it's the audience's job to work to understand the speaker.https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1228943686953664512 …

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    Richard DawkinsVerified account @RichardDawkins
    It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.
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      1. MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 23 Feb 2020
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        This tweet is to lay out my own opinion on this category of error, which I may call "the is-ought confusion", so that you can choose whether or not to be friends with me. I'm not very interested in the specifics of this particular example.

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      1. jackinlondon‏ @jackinlondon 23 Feb 2020
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        Replying to @ssica3003

        It's both, of course, but the more wide-spread the medium the more the onus is on the audience - the speaker cannot adjust the message to specific groups when it's the same message sent to everyone.

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      2. visa is decluttering old drafts‏ @visakanv 23 Feb 2020
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        visa is decluttering old drafts Retweeted visa is decluttering old drafts

        https://twitter.com/visakanv/status/1229490787445960704?s=21 …https://twitter.com/visakanv/status/1229490787445960704 …

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        Is/Ought Problem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem … pic.twitter.com/nCW9njIuqe
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      3. MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 23 Feb 2020
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        Can we then call this the “is-ought mistake” where a writer is meaning what is, and the audience mistakenly assumes an ought

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      2. Daniel Magliola‏ @dmagliola 23 Feb 2020
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        While I would generally agree with you, I think this is poorly worded. The whole thing hinges on the word "work". He later explains he meant you could breed humans to be better at something specific. But on this tweet, it could be interpreted to mean "work as a policy"

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      3. Daniel Magliola‏ @dmagliola 23 Feb 2020
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        Which is not what he meant, but "work" in this tweet is so vague it was not hard to predict how it could be read. Pile up on that that eugenics is as loadef as a thing can be, and that's Dawkins has a specific reputation, both of which he should know, and I think that's his fault

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      1.  🎙 Piyush Maverick Tainguriya Customer Support  🎙‏ @MangoZeus 23 Feb 2020
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        Nobody really thinks he's in favor of it. They just think it's cringe.

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      2. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 23 Feb 2020
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        The thing is, Dawkins is wrong when he says that eugenics would work. Yes, if tall people were forced to hook up only with other tall people for many generations, the average height of their descendants would likely go up. But that's not what eugenics is.

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      3. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 23 Feb 2020
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        Eugenics was an actual pseudoscience, as fully fleshed-out as astrology or phrenology. And as articulated, and as practiced on a mass scale in real life, it could not and did not work because it contradicted basic principles of inheritance.

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      1. Pat Kelley  🐋 #teargas‏ @gritmonger 23 Feb 2020
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        No, a lot of biologists are calling him out because eugenics is wrong and *also* does not 'work.'

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