Ah didn’t realise you were talking about yourself!
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Replying to @DRMacIver @ssica3003 and
Mostly I wanted to suggest that it's not necessarily incredibly depressing, you can avoid that and have it be incredibly anxiety inducing instead.
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Replying to @DRMacIver @ssica3003 and
Huh. Y'all must've used a very different recipe than the one I did
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Replying to @ssica3003 @DRMacIver and
It's hard to put into words since its discussed so rarely :) but I've always been good at finding structure. So when I moved from R to F, one appeal was how rigorous Intersectionality is. In many ways IF had the same goals as R but it didnt lampshade them explicitly
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
Meanwhile, IF had many tools for self-reflection, something that R lacked. So I began to see Rationalists as mired in unquestioned assumptions with little self awareness. After a while, even associating with the label became too embarrassing.
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
Its true that a lot of F dont seek that rigour, but just knowing that it's there is helpful for me in knowing how to connect with them, what pitfalls to avoid, how to bring things up delicately. Doesnt work all the time, but cant be friends w everyone I guess
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
And while it's easy to change the mind of R on factual well-documented matters, it's really hard to get a lot of them to see outside of their own frameworks. So all in all it takes as much care (maybe even a bit more) to change the mind of an R (if I at all can!)
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
I don't think the concern in general is really "Can I change their mind?" so much as "Am I going to get cancelled?". Rationalists at least don't tend to do that - the word for someone who has lots of arguments with rationalists is "rationalist".
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Replying to @ssica3003 @DRMacIver and
I agree with the cancellation part! This would probably take a more in depth conversation. Theres both individual ways to avoid it, understanding the "charitable interpretation" of cancellation, and figuring out ways to change the culture (changing minds ;)
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
We're also hitting the limits of how much of this conversation I'm prepared to have in public TBH.
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