Is this your experience of me?
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Replying to @ssica3003 @nosilverv and
No, this is my experience as a different feminist/rationalist hybrid. I think yours was different from mine.
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Replying to @DRMacIver @nosilverv and
Ah didn’t realise you were talking about yourself!
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Replying to @DRMacIver @ssica3003 and
Mostly I wanted to suggest that it's not necessarily incredibly depressing, you can avoid that and have it be incredibly anxiety inducing instead.
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Replying to @DRMacIver @ssica3003 and
Huh. Y'all must've used a very different recipe than the one I did
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Replying to @ssica3003 @DRMacIver and
It's hard to put into words since its discussed so rarely :) but I've always been good at finding structure. So when I moved from R to F, one appeal was how rigorous Intersectionality is. In many ways IF had the same goals as R but it didnt lampshade them explicitly
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
Meanwhile, IF had many tools for self-reflection, something that R lacked. So I began to see Rationalists as mired in unquestioned assumptions with little self awareness. After a while, even associating with the label became too embarrassing.
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
Its true that a lot of F dont seek that rigour, but just knowing that it's there is helpful for me in knowing how to connect with them, what pitfalls to avoid, how to bring things up delicately. Doesnt work all the time, but cant be friends w everyone I guess
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I also love the academic rigour in F, and agree with your general points completely but ... social justice doesn’t measure its outcomes and R are super good at measuring stuff! Haha. And it’s just not cool to say “yeah but equalities training doesn’t work” in F
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Replying to @ssica3003 @DRMacIver and
Sure but I'd start w asking what exactly you've measured and what it found and how well those metrics capture or act as proxies for the training to "work".
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Replying to @tangled_zans @ssica3003 and
More skeptically I'd ask who performed the study and their organisational goals. I see a lot of Quilette types repeating "x doesnt work" without actually engaging with the study. So one learns to be sceptical of motivated reasoning
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