MetaJess

So high cost but negligible benefit. But if it’s just minority weirdo people wasting their money to get consciousness kicks... why write and publish a 6 page pdf on how to do it (more)(better)(cheaper)? Maybe just for fun I guess.

I think most of the people I know, directly I”R”L or at one digital remove, who are dedicated to the “quest”, aren’t in it for consciousness “kicks”. It seems more like some part of their own consciousness or their own unique deep nature •kicked them• into the quest

So it’s a humanitarian thing

For some...maybe? For many, it’s more like, some people decide “I’m going to be an elite athlete. I’m going to sail around the world. I’m going to run a marathon every year.” Humans have these intense drives which don’t map either onto reproduction, status-seeking, or hedonism

So my original question all the way back there is why would @leashless who is an impact kind of guy, write a long document about how expensive it is to get enlightened, when he says it’s no more or less good for a person than sailing or running marathons?

Hmm. I don’t want to speak for him. But this is a good question and maybe I’ve stacked the deck in an unhelpful way. Let me go back to my “non-zero probability” that enlightenment is •socially• beneficial. I’ll just say straight-up that it •is•

... particularly in a time of destabilization, such as the planet is undergoing right now, and which will destabilize further

Pretty trollsome to say there’s no point and then be like ok there is totally a point. You meditators what are you like haha