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Steve Faulkner
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Steve Faulkner

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Engineering @microsoft @AzureCosmosDB. Prev: @linkedin, made @bustle #serverless, co-founded @murfiemusic, physics research at the South Pole

Philadelphia, PA
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Joined April 2009

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    1. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Apr 15

      Steve Faulkner Retweeted Joe Emison

      backend devs: serverless is coming for you toohttps://twitter.com/JoeEmison/status/985583754419818496 …

      Steve Faulkner added,

      Joe Emison @JoeEmison
      To put it another way--the key benefit of serverless is not "no servers to manage". It's "almost no backend code". Once you understand this, you can see why serverless beats K8s--the amount of bespoke code you need to run makes container orchestration insane overkill. 7/7
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      2 replies 1 retweet 19 likes
    2. Joe Emison‏ @JoeEmison Apr 15
      Replying to @southpolesteve

      One of my favorite parts in choosing these architectures is that it's way easier to avoid the brogrammers when you aren't hiring anyone for the back end. I find almost no brogrammers amongst the front-end devs.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Apr 15
      Replying to @JoeEmison

      For sure! The industry likes to crap on frontend work which pushes brogrammers to the backend. Front end developers will have the last laugh when the brogrammers are begging for help learning CSS

      2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    4. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Apr 15
      Replying to @southpolesteve @JoeEmison

      I spent the last 2 years doing serverless architecture and tooling work. my new job is doing front end UI work. The list of reasons for that shift is long and complex. But this conversation speaks to some of it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    5. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz Apr 15
      Replying to @southpolesteve @JoeEmison

      Don’t you think in some respects serverless results in more backend code? SOA by default is non-trivial for small apps and MVPs

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    6. Joe Emison‏ @JoeEmison Apr 15
      Replying to @danbucholtz @southpolesteve

      I disagree. Look at sample Firebase or AppSync apps that use thick clients (React, React native, iOS, Android). Most have zero back end code; all configuration.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Joe Emison‏ @JoeEmison Apr 15
      Replying to @JoeEmison @danbucholtz @southpolesteve

      But I do think that your perspective—maybe born from doing a lot of RoR or other thick-middle-tier dev?—is the one that leads to the bespoke-function-heavy serverless architectures.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Apr 15
      Replying to @JoeEmison @danbucholtz

      This is where I came from and it took me a long time to get away from the mindset. @danbucholtz to your point I think serverless is a bit orthogonal. Certainly possible to build a serverless backend heavy SOA. The tooling/best practices that will prevent that are still emerging.

      1:57 PM - 15 Apr 2018
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        2. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz Apr 15
          Replying to @southpolesteve @JoeEmison

          I meant the exact opposite. Wouldn’t you no matter what have a SOA since each function is an independent deployment or a micro-service?

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        3. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Apr 15
          Replying to @danbucholtz @JoeEmison

          Hmm. I think lots of services does not necessarily translate to more lines of backend code. Certainly possible to compose many small simple funcs that glue together services. Tooling helps those feel less distinct in dev.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Apr 15
          Replying to @southpolesteve @danbucholtz @JoeEmison

          Like Bustle's architecture is started as a monolith that gets split into serverless funcs via webpack. Or you can make one massive func (which is how things were headed with graphQL func). Serverless doesn't care much which one you do. Tradeoffs with both.

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