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Steve Faulkner
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Steve Faulkner

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Engineering @microsoft @AzureCosmosDB. Prev: @linkedin, made @bustle #serverless, co-founded @murfiemusic, physics research at the South Pole

Philadelphia, PA
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    1. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
      Replying to @southpolesteve

      So what, that's just an API they expose. Great dev experience. OpenWhisk let's you do the same thing, editing functions in browser. But remember for anything beyond that, with Lambda, you upload a particularly structured zipfile 😉

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    2. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
      Replying to @hichaelmart

      "a particularly structured zipfile" 😂 I do realize they can be much more, but you just described so many containers.

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    3. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
      Replying to @southpolesteve

      Um, that was my point

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    4. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
      Replying to @hichaelmart

      twitter is hard. Maybe were not really disagreeing? I'm also trying to cram too many points into too few chars? 1. AWS has business reasons to avoid containers as a packaging format 2. containers are fine things, but increasingly irrelevant to serverless devs

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    5. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
      Replying to @southpolesteve

      Explain the business reason to me? 🤔 It'd be the same business model as Lambda is right now

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    6. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
      Replying to @hichaelmart

      "run my code" gives more room for AWS to build magic and proprietary value than "run my container". The higher level abstraction may be worse dev UX in the short term than a container but I bet they that gap will close.

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    7. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
      Replying to @southpolesteve @hichaelmart

      Sure today there isn't much difference between "run my code" and "run my container", but by embracing code, AWS leaves open many more futures. Like maybe a nodejs specific lambda platform that doesn't run containers at all an uses VM sandboxing.

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    8. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
      Replying to @southpolesteve

      That's demonstrably false – the Go Runtime is a perfect example. It's *more* generic than the other runtimes – it just runs a binary you upload. That literally could be a docker binary – they'd just need to optimize some things (like they do with mounting /var/task etc)

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    9. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
      Replying to @hichaelmart @southpolesteve

      The business lock-in for Lambda isn't the packaging or code structure – it's the fact that it integrates so well with all the AWS services, you just can't help but want to use it.

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    10. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
      Replying to @hichaelmart @southpolesteve

      Well, that and the fact that it deploys so quickly and scales like the bejesus. And yeah, there'd be some challenges to get docker containers to cold boot as fast – would need to pre-mount (like it does currently with /var/task) for example. Maybe place some restrictions?

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      Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
      Replying to @hichaelmart

      I bet internally there are all kinds of strange reasons Lambda is built the way it is. I can only speculate. But I don't think the arch of the go runtime makes what I said obviously false.

      4:33 PM - 25 Feb 2018
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        1. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
          Replying to @southpolesteve @hichaelmart

          I'd also guess a similar internal debate to what we are having happened. "long term business goals" vs "dev ux" vs "we needed Go support yesterday!"

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        2. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
          Replying to @southpolesteve

          I think the fact that they architected it so that you're just uploading a binary – and then just open source the function-API library, shows that they're happy with no lock-in on the code side.

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        3. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
          Replying to @hichaelmart

          Thats fair. I don't think "run my code" is about lock in. it's ensuring a future where Lambda can be more valuable and better optimized than it is today.

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        4. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
          Replying to @southpolesteve

          Totally agree – and if they ever do release a Docker runtime for Lambda, it'd come with some restrictions for sure – or at least, "if you go beyond these restrictions, then cold boots could be slow"

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