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Steve Faulkner
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Steve Faulkner

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Engineering @microsoft @AzureCosmosDB. Prev: @linkedin, made @bustle #serverless, co-founded @murfiemusic, physics research at the South Pole

Philadelphia, PA
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    1. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25

      I am often tempted to engage container folk thought leading about #serverless. But slowly realizing I am not their target audience. It is other container people. They are trying to ensure their tribe they will still exist in the new world.

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      Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25

      By building Lambda as they have, AWS effectively stamped a big "DEPRECATED" on containers. People are freaking out accordingly. They should be.

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        2. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25

          Those of us doing #serverless in production, we don't hate containers. We just don't care. They don't matter to us anymore.

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        3. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 26

          BTW I'm giving a brand new talk on all of this on March 22nd in NYChttps://www.meetup.com/Serverless-NYC/events/247709799/ …

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        2. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
          Replying to @southpolesteve

          You're gonna be eating your words when AWS releases a serverless container offering. The benefits of containers are huge – can run anywhere (on my machine!) and fully packaged OS-level dependencies. Reproducibility is one of Lambda's downfalls right now

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        3. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
          Replying to @hichaelmart @southpolesteve

          The ultimate step beyond FaaS will be invocations as a service. Sure, you can provide a function API, just like the Go Lambda runtime does, but really you're uploading an RPC server. Allow ppl to package that in a container and boot it fast, and voila.

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        4. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
          Replying to @hichaelmart @southpolesteve

          This is, btw, what OpenWhisk already lets you do... it's just... IBM Bluemix hosted... and kinda with an ugly API right now. Add an AWS rocket boost to it, and with the right API :chefskiss:

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        5. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
          Replying to @hichaelmart

          They might. AWS isn't allergic to money. I don't think it will invalidate anything I said. By building Lambda infra above container level AWS is giving themselves more land to build a bigger moat around their castle. I don't see them giving that up at the runtime.

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        6. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
          Replying to @southpolesteve @hichaelmart

          Containers can be helpful. Reproducibility or dev UX is a great example. But as a packaging or runtime format? Seems like something AWS doesn't want to do. They would be much happier to invert the dev model entirely and have us all use Cloud9, dev directly on Lambda

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        7. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
          Replying to @southpolesteve

          So what, that's just an API they expose. Great dev experience. OpenWhisk let's you do the same thing, editing functions in browser. But remember for anything beyond that, with Lambda, you upload a particularly structured zipfile 😉

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        8. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Feb 25
          Replying to @hichaelmart

          "a particularly structured zipfile" 😂 I do realize they can be much more, but you just described so many containers.

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        9. Michael Hart‏ @hichaelmart Feb 25
          Replying to @southpolesteve

          Um, that was my point

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        1. Alessio Piergiacomi‏ @alessi0p Apr 6
          Replying to @southpolesteve

          Lambda does not fit all uses cases that containers do (e.g. cost efficiency with very high TPS, very low or consistently low latency required)

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