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Steve Faulkner
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Steve Faulkner
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Steve Faulkner

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Engineering @microsoft @AzureCosmosDB. Prev: @linkedin, made @bustle #serverless, co-founded @murfiemusic, physics research at the South Pole

Philadelphia, PA
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Joined April 2009

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    1. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ben11kehoe @tmclaughbos @chrismunns

      I'm in this camp. I see both sides. To me, there is a big benefit to JS everywhere. By turning JS into a declarative plan can't we get the best of both worlds?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 4
      Replying to @southpolesteve @tmclaughbos @chrismunns

      I don't think so. The JS is what gets checked in to source control, and thus you lose the easy inspectability and language independence

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Jared Short‏ @ShortJared Jun 4
      Replying to @ben11kehoe @southpolesteve and

      There’s a few attempts for imperative JS abstractions you write in app with magical layers generating infrastructure and it really bothers me. For instance, rollback plan? Sorry, you lose that new bucket with info because of a bug in unrelated critical feature.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Jared Short‏ @ShortJared Jun 4
      Replying to @ShortJared @ben11kehoe and

      Also, why is the canonical example for why these systems are useful just simple loops for generating auto scaling groups?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ShortJared @ben11kehoe and

      Agree 100% the existing examples are garbage. I wish they would take a serverless first approach. Show me a complex system of >10 fns reacting to events from >3 services.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Jared Short‏ @ShortJared Jun 4
      Replying to @southpolesteve @ben11kehoe and

      Off by one error, 10% of your system just broke.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ShortJared @ben11kehoe and

      I think its possible to make a tool that makes these kinds of mistakes hard and also lets you write JS

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 4
      Replying to @southpolesteve @ShortJared and

      I think that generally requires solving the halting problem

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ben11kehoe @ShortJared and

      hmm? Not sure I understand 100%. It doesn't need to be perfect. "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that because it would destroy data" will get you pretty far.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 4
      Replying to @southpolesteve @ShortJared and

      When we have to *run* an infra spec to find out what it does, I think we've overcomplicated things

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ben11kehoe @ShortJared and

      Eh, I just disagree. Ideally we can staticly analyze (so maybe vanilla JS is not right. I'm open to that point)

      6:55 AM - 4 Jun 2018
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        2. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
          Replying to @southpolesteve @ben11kehoe and

          My first crack JS idea would be to make any infra variable declarations outside of the top level scope lint errors. I think you could make a runnable JS program that would build an entire infra graph without actually running any code.

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        3. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
          Replying to @southpolesteve @ben11kehoe and

          Eh I should prob not twitter speculate on this and just try and build a POC. I'm almost surely missing something.

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