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Steve Faulkner
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Steve Faulkner

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Engineering @microsoft @AzureCosmosDB. Prev: @linkedin, made @bustle #serverless, co-founded @murfiemusic, physics research at the South Pole

Philadelphia, PA
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Joined April 2009

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    1. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 1

      Ben Kehoe Retweeted Rod Johnson

      I don’t view this ratio as a better/worse thing. Config as code it a good practice already, and once you have that, it’s moving complexity, not creating it.https://twitter.com/springrod/status/1002379190174302208 …

      Ben Kehoe added,

      Rod Johnson @springrod
      As things get smaller (monoliths > microservices > lambdas), the ratio of configuration/code -- which had been getting better -- gets worse again. Possibly unavoidable, but creates the need for tools that work at scale across many services
      Show this thread
      4 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    2. chrismunns‏ @chrismunns Jun 1
      Replying to @ben11kehoe

      im with you. trading my chef+CFN code for SAM + CFN has resulted in a drastic reduction in management code. the CI/CD bits become boiler plate and change less often so shouldn't be a big pain with scale

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Thomas S Pumpkins‏ @tmclaughbos Jun 1
      Replying to @chrismunns @ben11kehoe

      Is part of the issue dev perception? I worked to keep devs out of Puppet. It was invisible to them. Now they’re finding themselves having to do infra code that others did for them before.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 4
      Replying to @tmclaughbos @chrismunns

      there's also this weird resistance to declarative code that I'm seeing. Lots of config approaches are being driven by "let devs code it in JS because that's where they're comfortable", which I sort of get, but seems like in the long run loses a lot of benefits

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ben11kehoe @tmclaughbos @chrismunns

      I'm in this camp. I see both sides. To me, there is a big benefit to JS everywhere. By turning JS into a declarative plan can't we get the best of both worlds?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 4
      Replying to @southpolesteve @tmclaughbos @chrismunns

      I don't think so. The JS is what gets checked in to source control, and thus you lose the easy inspectability and language independence

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Jared Short‏ @ShortJared Jun 4
      Replying to @ben11kehoe @southpolesteve and

      There’s a few attempts for imperative JS abstractions you write in app with magical layers generating infrastructure and it really bothers me. For instance, rollback plan? Sorry, you lose that new bucket with info because of a bug in unrelated critical feature.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Jared Short‏ @ShortJared Jun 4
      Replying to @ShortJared @ben11kehoe and

      Also, why is the canonical example for why these systems are useful just simple loops for generating auto scaling groups?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ShortJared @ben11kehoe and

      Agree 100% the existing examples are garbage. I wish they would take a serverless first approach. Show me a complex system of >10 fns reacting to events from >3 services.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Jared Short‏ @ShortJared Jun 4
      Replying to @southpolesteve @ben11kehoe and

      Off by one error, 10% of your system just broke.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
      Replying to @ShortJared @ben11kehoe and

      I think its possible to make a tool that makes these kinds of mistakes hard and also lets you write JS

      6:26 AM - 4 Jun 2018
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 4
          Replying to @southpolesteve @ShortJared and

          I think that generally requires solving the halting problem

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
          Replying to @ben11kehoe @ShortJared and

          hmm? Not sure I understand 100%. It doesn't need to be perfect. "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that because it would destroy data" will get you pretty far.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Ben Kehoe‏ @ben11kehoe Jun 4
          Replying to @southpolesteve @ShortJared and

          When we have to *run* an infra spec to find out what it does, I think we've overcomplicated things

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
          Replying to @ben11kehoe @ShortJared and

          Eh, I just disagree. Ideally we can staticly analyze (so maybe vanilla JS is not right. I'm open to that point)

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
          Replying to @southpolesteve @ben11kehoe and

          My first crack JS idea would be to make any infra variable declarations outside of the top level scope lint errors. I think you could make a runnable JS program that would build an entire infra graph without actually running any code.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Steve Faulkner‏ @southpolesteve Jun 4
          Replying to @southpolesteve @ben11kehoe and

          Eh I should prob not twitter speculate on this and just try and build a POC. I'm almost surely missing something.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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