the records do show spencer & cantwell exchanged 88 messages in a 6 week period over the summer of 2017. spencer now concedes this is accurate.
spencer also earlier said there was only 1 phone call. "that's what i calculated when i did my work on this," he says now.
Conversation
"whatever you are trying to accomplish by going through this exercise," judge moon says, "it's being time consuming." moon says bloch can simply enter the evidence into the record, but we don't have to do it this way.
[this is actually important because spencer lied]
10
15
242
the phone records show phone calls between spencer & cantwell - 1 in july, 2 in august (one of which was on 8/12)
spencer said he "probably didn't count" the really short ones.
1
1
92
spencer says he's "actually remembering something" now - his records showed whether or not a call was answered and he didn't count the ones that weren't answered. "i'm certainly not trying to lie to anyone here."
4
101
bloch says they are only talking about calls that connected & they had the same records spencer did.
1
1
137
"you also attended white nationalist events with some of your codefendants, correct?" spencer confirms.
june 2017, spencer gave a speech at a rally in DC. he can't recall if kessler spoke at that rally, but does remember damigo & cantwell speaking.
1
1
90
june 25, 2017 - spencer tweeted a photo of him & cantwell at that rally in DC.
1
84
in a video of that event in DC in june 2017, the crowd is chanting "moldylocks," the offensive nickname for the woman damigo punched in berkeley. this was after damigo's speech - they're cheering for him assaulting a woman.
2
6
110
in the video, you can see spencer, kessler & cantwell chanting along. people are pumping their fists in the air along with the chant.
1
2
85
spencer identifies in the video the trad worker flag & the IE flag. he claims not to know what the vanguard america flag looks like.
2
1
83
richard spencer laughs when he's asked if people referred to his apartment as "the fash loft," saying yes people probably did call it that.
he held an afterparty after the june 25, 2017 event
1
4
104
kline, damigo, cantwell, and others were there. spencer confirms they did talk about UTR at that party.
"there's no doubt that at a party we would discuss unite the right."
spencer is awfully snippy, but confirms there were 3-5 parties that summer.
2
1
90
spencer confirms he met samantha at charlottesville 1.0 and she was in attendance at many of his private parties that summer.
3
82
spencer confirms cantwell & heimbach attended his speech at auburn in 2017. he confirms there were fights with counterprotestors but equivocates about whether people were "beaten pretty badly."
1
1
79
"whenever there is a controversial event, you can expect some pushing, shoving, fisticuffs..." spencer says of the assaults committed at his speech at auburn.
3
3
80
a counterprotestor tossed some glitter on spencer at a rally in DC. "isn't it true that mr kline chased after the person and clotheslined them?"
1
2
101
spencer says calling it "tossing glitter" is too lighthearted, "he ran up to me and threw glitter on my face." he says he's thankful it was glitter, but it could have been acid or scalding water. (ok but it was glitter though)
7
16
301
"i am not advocating for free school lunches," spencer says, "we are advocating for some of the most controversial things in the modern political sphere." "in that context, those events were relatively successful," he says of his april 2017 speech in DC
1
2
88
"you can't expect any altright event not to involve antifa counterprotesting," spencer says. but it was "remarkable" they were able to "get a message across," in spite of all that.
1
1
81
bloch says spencer never answered the question about kline clotheslining the person who threw the glitter. moon cuts in and says spencer already said he disagreed with the characterization.
2
1
86
bloch asks again and this time spencer confirms that kline did chase after and clothesline the individual. spencer says he did not know until the trial that kline later bragged about giving that person 12 stitches.
2
4
113
audio now from a podcast where spencer is laughing describing kline "leveling" the person who threw the glitter, "kind of like a linebacker. it was pretty funny."
spencer says technically it was a youtube video, but yes he did say it.
4
4
125
more audio - spencer is correcting the record, people thought he got punched at that event, spencer says "i got glittered, who cares."
he described it today as terrifying, but now he says "i don't care to be honest."
3
8
150
a text from greg conte to spencer 7/23/17
"aw this is gay, looks like there's about a 60 day wait period to get a conceal carry permit approved, so i guess i'll miss out on any firefights" at UTR
Quote Tweet
at the time that greg conte was exploring how to legally conceal a handgun at the nazi rally he was helping to plan, he was a JV field hockey coach at a catholic school in maryland.
[conte is the pseudonymous 'greg ritter' spencer refers to as his right hand man elsewhere]
Show this thread
1
13
110
bloch asks about amren - it was founded by jared taylor, which spencer agrees with, but he does not agree that taylor advocates for ethnic cleansing.
spencer again says he only briefly spoke to kessler at amren in july 2017
1
81
playing video now of spencer at amren - "we are living probably in a breaking point and i love it." "on august 12 in charlottesville there's going to be a really amazing rally that's being organized by someone who's here, jason kessler."
1
1
88
in that speech 2 weeks before UTR, spencer said the rally was going to be very dramatic, "probably hugely traumatic for the liberal people of charlottesville." "it's gonna be fun - they will never forget it."
3
3
117
spencer said what he meant by that is that he was going to be "owning the libs" and they'd be very mad.
2
2
94
spencer & cantwell had lunch together somewhere in virginia before the rally.
the next day, 8/7/17, cantwell texted spencer asking if they can talk on the phone about the permit. spencer asks cantwell to talk to someone else & have them relay the info to him.
1
1
85
in this exchange about the permit, which was in jeopardy at this point,
cantwell: "i can't risk my carry permit"
spencer: "we must proceed as planned"
1
99
this text has been brought up before - they were agreeing it was worth risking going to jail for the cause
Quote Tweet
evidence like this text between cantwell & spencer -
august 7, 2017
cantewell: "i'm willing to risk a lot for our cause, including violence and incarceration, but i want to coordinate to make sure it's worth it for our cause."
spencer: "it's worth it, at least for me."
Show this thread
3
3
105
spencer says now the thing they were talking about was holding the rally even if the permit was revoked.
1
85
bloch asks spencer about conversations he had with kessler about then-vice mayor of charlottesville dr wes bellamy. spencer says they did talk about wes in 2016, but isn't sure if they discussed wes in the leadup to UTR
1
77
spencer again calls this a "parlor trick," to ask him questions about things he's testified to differently in the past.
"playing this trick over and over again is just not helpful to this process!"
(it's not good for richard's process, but it is how the process works)
5
13
284
bloch tells the court it is his duty and obligation to put on evidence about inconsistencies in spencer's testimony.
moon says to "save the preliminaries," and just read spencer the quote and have him confirm or deny it (circumventing the part where he lies first)
9
6
211
spencer says it's "fair" to say he had negative views of wes bellamy but does not think it's fair to say it's because bellamy is black. bloch asks if racial animus had nothing to do with it?
3
5
183
spencer says wes bellamy is someone who was a "political adversary," because he opposed the cause of unite the right, which was "to preserve the statues." he says he did not hate wes because he is black.
2
98
bloch shows spencer his own tweet. spencer says this is a meme, agreeing that it depicts wes as a "scifi monster," but does not agree that it is dehumanizing and calls that an exaggeration that is "out of bounds."
7
7
144
in his deposition, spencer says "yes, it's inherently dehumanizing."
spencer is shouting now calling it "ridiculous," "it's as if you want to prove that i am lying."
(yeah, that literally is the point)
19
85
593
spencer says "someone else made that meme."
bloch goes back to the deposition, spencer says "do you have to keep doing this?"
6
12
233
Show replies