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    1. Stephanie Rewis‏ @stefsull 8 May 2018
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      It feels like making it all local takes the C out of CSS. In fact, in some ways it kinda reverses it. CSS is really okay. It's not an untamed beast, just a different, very powerful beast. Whatever. It is what it is. I just wish we could finish that spec about theming. ;)

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2018
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      I think of it as returning CSS to what it's good at: styling small trees. By making components responsible for their own internal 🌲 state, reduce the "bleed through" that makes managing styles so painful. Good progress being made on part/theme: https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/5763933658939392 …

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2018
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      And is CSS really ok? There has been an explosion of tools whose primary value is that they turn off specificity and the cascade (Inc CSS-in-JS tools). Teaching the "C" is a nightmare. Folks rightly want fewer foot-guns.

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    4. Stephanie Rewis‏ @stefsull 9 May 2018
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      I think CSS is fine, but I've worked with it for about 15 years. I understand it & I appreciate how it works. Most of these tools feel like they're just made for people that don't want to understand CSS & they try to make it more like JS. But I realize I'm probably a minority.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2018
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      I have a hard time arguing folks are wrong when they want to localize the effects of their decisions. Basically every programming abstraction is this because it makes complexity approachable.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2018
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      And should we have to teach all of CSS's crazy? For most problems, responsive breakpoints + grid + flexbox should let an app "work" enough that developers can focus on other stuff (like how to re-invent list virtualization the N+1th time 😁😂😅😥😓😨)

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    7. Stephanie Rewis‏ @stefsull 9 May 2018
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      Can't use grid yet. Still too much IE11 to make it worthwhile since flexbox works for most things. And maybe I shouldn't use my outside voice, but I LOVE CSS. Maybe I'm the crazy. LOL

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    8. David Brunelle‏ @davidbrunelle 9 May 2018
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      I love CSS too! And I’m stoked to see folks exploring new authoring techniques that make reuse and maintenance even easier 🙌

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    9. David Brunelle‏ @davidbrunelle 9 May 2018
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      Biggest benefit to colocating styles with components IMHO? You get to eliminate “dead” CSS for free and only ship what’s needed.

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    10. Brad Frost‏ @brad_frost 9 May 2018
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      Eliminating dead CSS is interesting and I can see how keeping things in close proximity encourages that. The "ship only what's needed" thing I'd love to learn more about. As I see it, a CSS file is a single, cacheable resource, whereas the on-demand approach splits it differently

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2018
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      Think about components rather than pages. CSS works on small pages and quickly breaks down (and/or requires herculean discipline) at scale. Components (via Shadow DOM) are *small pages*

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2018
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          The "fileness" of CSS is strictly less useful than the "fileness" of a component. Everyone is struggling to express their components as conjoined markup template + style + behaviour. JS partisans won some recent fights because declarative community stayed on the sidelines.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2018
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          The result, however, was always going to be that people wrote components in a single file. That file included all of these parts; the arguments about delivery format are now separate thanks to the rise of (too much?) tooling.

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