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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 6 May 2018
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      You mean a PWA running on the desktop? I've never heard of such a thing, and doubt it would work even if it existed. Almost any real desktop app will need to access the file system, access a CLI, etc.

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    2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 6 May 2018
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      https://www.xda-developers.com/progressive-web-apps-chrome-how-to/ …

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    3. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 6 May 2018
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      Replying to @BrendanEich @jamonholmgren and

      Very cool, but I doubt useful in practice. Only rarely will I want an app on my desktop, and those that I do will likely require disk access and other things a PWA won't be able to touch.

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    4. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 6 May 2018
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      Disk (I still say it too; let's say filesystem) access is on the agenda: https://developer.chrome.com/native-client/migration … (find "_File"). Red to get off ledger...

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    5. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 6 May 2018
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      Replying to @BrendanEich @jamonholmgren and

      That sounds cool but also terrifying. A PWA having access to my file system? Obv it'd have to ask permission, and obv I'd click "no" unless I had a damn good reason. But surely that'll be a panacea for bad actors.

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    6. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 6 May 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @jamonholmgren and

      It's more of an install model, and you were game to install Electron apps...

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    7. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 6 May 2018
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      Replying to @BrendanEich @jamonholmgren and

      For sure - installing an app on your computer is always a big deal, limited to apps you trust. But the idea of a PWA being one confirmation away from file system access seemed much worse. But from what you say it seems like that’s not how it would work.

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    8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 6 May 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @jamonholmgren and

      I'm not sure how fs access will work. Maybe Alex can say.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @BrendanEich @AdamRackis and

      Our plan for filesystem access is incremental: start with single file read-write (for open-with situations), then onetime directory picker, then persistence. All user-mediated; very much how Web Bluetooth works.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 7 May 2018
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      And, like all the rest of this stuff, we're breaking up capabilities from the concept of installation. Why does that one click grant so much privilege? That's a bug.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @BrendanEich and

      ...and a bug the web's security model goes some distance to fix. More to do -- we need better permissions UI and API, e.g. for time-limiting grants -- but none of this is magic; only hard. Requires will.

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