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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      This matters (a bit) less on desktop, so documenting that a framework or tool is not appropriate for mobile development is also a huge help. Steers developers towards appropriate options.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @melaniersumner and

      Surfacing how broken the ecosystem is to developers is hard, tho. Lots of folks picking/choosing metrics. I want so much for us to get past speed to be able to address all the other a11y concerns.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @melaniersumner and

      I keep thinking about this: https://www.webbloatscore.com/  We should make Lighthouse generate this number as a gut-check. /cc @ebidel @paul_irish

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    4. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 16 Apr 2018
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      Tangential: When working on that PWA talk, I was slightly depressed to realize that I got a Lighthouse checkmark for "there is any content at all without JS". Kind of a low bar. I was thinking there should be another check for ">80% of the plain text content is the same w/o JS".

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @AmeliasBrain @slightlylate

      Last I checked, @slightlylate is also concerned about encouraging people to blindly use SSR.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @wycats @AmeliasBrain

      Yep. Time-to-Interactive is the gold standard and JS is TTI kryptonite

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    7. Ivan Čurić‏ @_baxuz 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @AmeliasBrain

      If talking about JS frameworks, depending on the app, SSR rehydration may take longer than rendering content (not the app shell) client side.

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    8. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @_baxuz @slightlylate @wycats

      And that's related to other comments in the thread: we need to really integrate this way of thinking into the frameworks themselves, so that they can be functional with minimal client-side code.

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    9. Ivan Čurić‏ @_baxuz 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @AmeliasBrain @slightlylate @wycats

      What about WCs? They're basically just <div>s until booted up, with no way to be SSR'd

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @_baxuz @AmeliasBrain @slightlylate

      For non-trivial web components (and apps built using web component frameworks) that can result in significant changes to the look and layout of content after the JS loads.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @wycats @_baxuz @AmeliasBrain

      Again, TTI is a leveler. If you've got too much script for your WC-based app, it'll be slow too. Less script, less often.

      4:25 PM - 16 Apr 2018
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        1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @slightlylate @_baxuz @AmeliasBrain

          Cool slogan.

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