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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2018
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      ZOMG; srsly? The web is *drowning in script*, making content inaccessible for hundreds of millions...and you're arguing about labels!?!!!!!

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    2. Melanie Sumner‏ @melaniersumner 16 Apr 2018
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      Slow up- no one is arguing.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      Yeah, sorry, that wasn't a proportional response. The way our current crop of tools lets down sooooooo many users gets the better of me.

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    4. Melanie Sumner‏ @melaniersumner 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @AmeliasBrain

      I totally feel your pain. Trying to make this better in EmberJS at least- we have some super useful A11y-related things in active development.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      The single most important contribution to accessibility any framework team can make today (in the sense of "users can access this content at all") is to simply send and run less script. We are collectively breaking the contract that tapping a link is a reasonable thing to do.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      This matters (a bit) less on desktop, so documenting that a framework or tool is not appropriate for mobile development is also a huge help. Steers developers towards appropriate options.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      Surfacing how broken the ecosystem is to developers is hard, tho. Lots of folks picking/choosing metrics. I want so much for us to get past speed to be able to address all the other a11y concerns.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      I keep thinking about this: https://www.webbloatscore.com/  We should make Lighthouse generate this number as a gut-check. /cc @ebidel @paul_irish

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    9. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 16 Apr 2018
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      Tangential: When working on that PWA talk, I was slightly depressed to realize that I got a Lighthouse checkmark for "there is any content at all without JS". Kind of a low bar. I was thinking there should be another check for ">80% of the plain text content is the same w/o JS".

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @AmeliasBrain @slightlylate

      Last I checked, @slightlylate is also concerned about encouraging people to blindly use SSR.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Apr 2018
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      Yep. Time-to-Interactive is the gold standard and JS is TTI kryptonite

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        2. Ivan Čurić‏ @_baxuz 16 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @AmeliasBrain

          If talking about JS frameworks, depending on the app, SSR rehydration may take longer than rendering content (not the app shell) client side.

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        3. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 16 Apr 2018
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          And that's related to other comments in the thread: we need to really integrate this way of thinking into the frameworks themselves, so that they can be functional with minimal client-side code.

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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain

          So perhaps nudging people to optimizing for the web bloat metric may have unintended consequences?

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        3. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 16 Apr 2018
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          Yes, the problem with the web bloat metric is that it only considers the rendering, not the interaction/functionality. As usual, no one metric is ever going to encapsulate the full picture in a valid way. Best to have multiple metrics so you can acknowledge the trade-offs.

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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Apr 2018
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          I prefer Time To First Meaningful Paint (the content you care about is painted) followed by no jank or layout thrashing once the remaining assets are fetched. TTI is often, but not always, a close approximation.

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