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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Surma‏ @DasSurma 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @ZoeBijl @MichielBijl @ZeeCoder

      Agreed. But I think you can’t expect all browsers to jump on this right away. The plan is to implement a lot of Houdini in Chrome and have developers show-case the power (and necessity) of Houdini. The rest will follow.

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    2. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 27 Mar 2018
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      I disagree. There's a reason the W3C policy is that no spec is stable until there are two independent implementations. Browser devs can make unconscious assumptions that aren't specified. Chrome shouldn't unflag until there are others. Don't want another web components v0 vs v1.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @AmeliasBrain @DasSurma and

      The WC experience was indeed painful, but it's important to understand why. First, while we weren't able to develop our own engine (pre-fork), we had to try to convince others of the value of components without the ability to _show_. Predictably (in retrospect), then went poorly.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain and

      Next, we kept asking other browser vendors to join us and help evaluate the designs...and we got a lot of crickets in response. It was only _after_ we shipped V0 and developers showed interest that others came back to the table (culminating in V1).

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain and

      But shipping both was painful; not somethign we want to repeat either! We learned a lot from the experience and have built a whole set of tools and processes to ensure we don't repeat the pain...

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain and

      For example, we're committed to getting developer feedback without polluting the ecosystem, so we built the Origin Trials system are are using it heavily: https://www.chromium.org/blink/origin-trials …

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    7. Alan Stearns‏ @alanstearns 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain and

      Except that this thread is about new v0 features you've shipped.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @alanstearns @AmeliasBrain and

      After running Origin Trials and gathering lots of developer feedback, yes! Leadership requires a leader.

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    9. Greg Whitworth‏ @gregwhitworth 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @alanstearns and

      While that all sounds good, looking through the trials I'm not seeing any Houdini related items. Which leads to my next question based on your premise, which authors have tested this and provided the feedback to deem it safe to ship?https://github.com/GoogleChrome/OriginTrials/blob/gh-pages/completed-trials.md … https://github.com/GoogleChrome/OriginTrials/blob/gh-pages/available-trials.md …

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    10. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @gregwhitworth @slightlylate and

      Yeah, I don't think Houdini features ever used the Origin Trials system, they used the Experimental Features flag. So there were experimental sites, by devs for devs, like https://lab.iamvdo.me/houdini/ , but not production-size tests.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 27 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @AmeliasBrain @gregwhitworth and

      I know that Animation Worklet is building up to an OT. But yeah, we have also solicited feedback via flags (which are less-good, IMO).

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        2. Greg Whitworth‏ @gregwhitworth 27 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @slightlylate @AmeliasBrain and

          I know that @bfgeek and co have solicited feedback from polymer - it would just be cool to know if there were other lib authors involved as we could end up stuck and find ourselves in a .smoosh scenario ;)

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        3. Surma‏ @DasSurma 27 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @gregwhitworth @slightlylate and

          Houdini: Custom Smoosh API

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