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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @thecraigmichael @ChromiumDev @mathias

      For the reasons listed in https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/03/smooshgate#break-the-web …

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    2. craig martin‏ @thecraigmichael 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @jaffathecake @ChromiumDev @mathias

      Does it strike you as odd that a *language* specification committee is beholden to userland business logic - something with limited visibility on a non-web platform, eg node - as a contract, and not a set of well defined principles?

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    3. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @thecraigmichael @jaffathecake and

      It's such biased totalistic absolutist brow-beating to phrase it as "why don't we break the web?". It's nasty. It already has the knife in your heart before you even finish making your argument. So meanspirited.

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    4. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 19 Mar 2018
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      If we add ANYTHING to JS we probably break some website somewhere. Knowing is more or less impossible. Do we know how many MooTools 1.2 & before website there are? Can we find 500? 100? How much breakage are we talking about?

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    5. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @rektide @thecraigmichael and

      This whole thing is handled so disgustingly by strong-arming pretentious ass "leaders" who browbeat & disabuse any arugmentation in such over the top ways. This disgusting FAQ just carries that on. So unwilling to accept the very premise that there are tradeoffs.

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    6. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @rektide @thecraigmichael and

      rektide de la fay Retweeted Reginald Braithwaite

      From a calmer man than me, in a solid thread, touching to how silly & absolute-ist the "leadership" is on this one,https://mobile.twitter.com/raganwald/status/974691199020945408 …

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      Reginald Braithwaite @raganwald
      FWIW, the world is full of difficult tradeoffs between a clear and present cost versus an uncertain long tail of suffering. I do not envy those making the choice. But I can respect them without going along with .smoosh in any way, shape, or form.
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    7. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @rektide @thecraigmichael and

      That thread seems to be based on the assumption that "smoosh" was a serious proposal.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @jaffathecake @rektide and

      I should know better than to weigh in here, but a few things: - browsers have a responsibility towards their users and competitive pressure to render as much content as possible - browser teams fund most JS engine development - change sometimes involves breaking *some* things

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @jaffathecake and

      But being a responsible steward means understandng the scale and scope of impact of proposed changes -- if only as a proxy to the likely costs you're externalizing. Hence guidance like this: https://www.chromium.org/blink/removing-features …

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    10. craig martin‏ @thecraigmichael 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @jaffathecake and

      I guess my point is one you're happy to make: TC39 as lang governing body conflates The Web with the ES lang. Whereas One Javascript is a lang principle, One Web as the position of a lang body seems to couple the lang to one prioritized client, rather than offer a contract to all

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @thecraigmichael @jaffathecake and

      Languages are not neutral computational instruments; they are of, for, and by people. And people come in different "lumps". The web constituency is, for many reasons, the weightiest in JS development. You can wish it weren't so...but it is.

      11:05 AM - 20 Mar 2018
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        1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 20 Mar 2018
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          There are some folks who use CSS in non-web contexts and the situation is the same. On the reverse, we don't expect Python PIPs to be designed around running in the browser.

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        1. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 20 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @slightlylate @thecraigmichael and

          I meditate happily & frequently on my VM of choice having multiple implementations, funded & backed by big tech companies, all competing in a hot-war for the best performance. So-far, not at all been a bad price to pay.

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