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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 19 Mar 2018
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      This whole thing is handled so disgustingly by strong-arming pretentious ass "leaders" who browbeat & disabuse any arugmentation in such over the top ways. This disgusting FAQ just carries that on. So unwilling to accept the very premise that there are tradeoffs.

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    2. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @rektide @thecraigmichael and

      rektide de la fay Retweeted Reginald Braithwaite

      From a calmer man than me, in a solid thread, touching to how silly & absolute-ist the "leadership" is on this one,https://mobile.twitter.com/raganwald/status/974691199020945408 …

      rektide de la fay added,

      Reginald Braithwaite @raganwald
      FWIW, the world is full of difficult tradeoffs between a clear and present cost versus an uncertain long tail of suffering. I do not envy those making the choice. But I can respect them without going along with .smoosh in any way, shape, or form.
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    3. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 19 Mar 2018
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      That thread seems to be based on the assumption that "smoosh" was a serious proposal.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 20 Mar 2018
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      I should know better than to weigh in here, but a few things: - browsers have a responsibility towards their users and competitive pressure to render as much content as possible - browser teams fund most JS engine development - change sometimes involves breaking *some* things

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 20 Mar 2018
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      But being a responsible steward means understandng the scale and scope of impact of proposed changes -- if only as a proxy to the likely costs you're externalizing. Hence guidance like this: https://www.chromium.org/blink/removing-features …

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    6. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @jaffathecake and

      In most situations I deeply appreciate the "dont break the web" sensibility, & these guidelines are great. But the way it is being used today feels like it is being used to trample those who feel MooTools 1.2 broke JS the language with it's slipshod monkeypatching of core JS.

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    7. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 20 Mar 2018
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      The unwillingness of "dont break the web" advocates to acknowledge or recognize these pleas- that this is a very different case than usual- feels so wounding & aggravating. * MooTools 1.2 broke JS * Anyone monkeying /w the primitives of JS objects accepts a higher responsibility

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    8. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 20 Mar 2018
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      From the article: In retrospect MooTools did the wrong thing — but breaking the web doesn’t punish them, it punishes users. These users do not know what a moo tool is. Alternatively, we can find another solution, and users can continue to use the web. The choice is easy to make.

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    9. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @jaffathecake @slightlylate and

      There has to be a practical limit somewhere to how badly users can break JavaScript before we decide we don't need to support their irresponsible monkeypatching of core JS. Unlimited permission to monkeypatch as you please is not a viable long term strategy.

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    10. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @rektide @jaffathecake and

      I haven't heard any of the "defenders" give recognition that there does have to be some limit, somewhere, to how far JS will go to support those who monkeypatch core JS. While this situation may be an "easy call," their broad stance is unrealistic.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 20 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @rektide @jaffathecake and

      I was one of the people warning the MooTools team Back In The Day (TM) that their builtin prototype monkeypatching was a bad idea...but there's literally no joy in "I told you so". Being "right" still leaves you with the problem to solve...so we're solving it.

      8:38 AM - 20 Mar 2018
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        2. Dave Methvin‏ @davemethvin 20 Mar 2018
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          This is about hurting sites, devs, and users who didn't cause the problem vs. just *picking a different word* for a new method. Nothing wrong with starting from "don't break the web" and relaxing the mantra if the damage isn't too bad.

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