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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Jamie Gaskins‏ @jamie_gaskins 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @jamie_gaskins @kennethrohde @jamesuriah

      It feels like since a bunch of new stuff has come out, people forget that we were building fast web apps that worked offline, even in Safari, for years. Like history’s been erased and all the effort we expended a decade ago to make a fast web was worthless.

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    2. Jamie Gaskins‏ @jamie_gaskins 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @jamie_gaskins @kennethrohde @jamesuriah

      I don’t mean to trivialize the newer efforts on PWAs, but at the same time I don’t think it’s a good idea to ignore the past.

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    3. KΞNNΞTH C. ⚡‏ @kennethrohde 25 Jan 2018
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      That is why we didn't :-)

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    4. Jamie Gaskins‏ @jamie_gaskins 25 Jan 2018
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      The front-end developer community at large seems to be under the impression that a PWA without a SW, manifest, etc isn't a PWA. The reason I responded was because it came across as aligning with that view.

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    5. KΞNNΞTH C. ⚡‏ @kennethrohde 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @jamie_gaskins @jamesuriah

      PWA is basically a marketing term and it works well for that, just like HTML5 was and people associated a lot more with it then the HTML5 spec, like CSS3 specs, geolocation etc etc. It worked well for getting people to adopt web tech at that point, and the same goes for PWA today

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    6. Jamie Gaskins‏ @jamie_gaskins 25 Jan 2018
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      This is not the same situation, though. HTML5 was seen as the next iteration of the web: - HTML was synonymous to the web for a lot of people, even web devs, who primarily mutated the DOM by setting innerHTML - it included a version number

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    7. Jamie Gaskins‏ @jamie_gaskins 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @jamie_gaskins @kennethrohde @jamesuriah

      The fact that the term PWA is understood as being a particular set of implementation details (SW, manifest, etc) instead of having a particular set of qualities (as originally defined) signals that no SW indicates "not progressive".

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    8. KΞNNΞTH C. ⚡‏ @kennethrohde 25 Jan 2018
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      A lot of people associate "add to home screen/install" experiences with PWA, which is even what Chrome @____lighthouse is looking at when rating the PWA score. In order to be considered able to "install/add to homescreen" in Chrome or the Microsoft Store (soon) you need to follow

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    9. KΞNNΞTH C. ⚡‏ @kennethrohde 25 Jan 2018
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      a certain set of criteria, like have some sort of offline experience, having certain values set in the manifest. You can say that is not progressive, but sites living up to these criteria can work fine without serviceworker and manifest, so they are progressive cc/ @slightlylate

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    10. KΞNNΞTH C. ⚡‏ @kennethrohde 25 Jan 2018
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      meaning, they work fine in browsers not supporting these technologies.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 25 Jan 2018
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      There are some core problems with the tech that Safari (and Chrome) had previously shipped. The result was experiences that couldn't really compete: https://infrequently.org/2016/05/service-workers-and-pwas-its-about-reliable-performance-not-offline/ …

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