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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Ryan Florence‏ @ryanflorence 30 Aug 2017
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      My personal work has popularized SSR of PWAs as much as anybody else's, probably more than most.

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    2. Andrea Giammarchi‏ @WebReflection 30 Aug 2017
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      then I don't understand your initial tweet or what you have to "change" about SSR. SSR doesn't mean 100% same FE functionality, IMO 🤷‍♂️

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    3. Ryan Florence‏ @ryanflorence 30 Aug 2017
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      Ryan Florence Retweeted Alex Russell

      Exactly! Which makes tweets like this baffling to me:https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/902574741193596930 …

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      Alex Russell @slightlylate
      Replying to @jlongster @wycats @sebmarkbage
      Honestly, I'd love to see "SSR"d sites simply not ship JS on first load and only pull in JS when served from SW.
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    4. Ryan Florence‏ @ryanflorence 30 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @ryanflorence @WebReflection @RReverser

      I said exactly what you just said to me, but you're arguing like you disagree. Maybe twitter didn't show you what you were replying to?

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    5. Andrea Giammarchi‏ @WebReflection 30 Aug 2017
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      I think we misunderstood Alex then. There's no even a way to ship SW without having JS on the page so I don't think he meant no JS at all 🤔

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @WebReflection @ryanflorence @RReverser

      Correct. I'm saying (perhaps) don't load all the FW code into the renderer process on first load; only pull it in when known-cheap.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @slightlylate @WebReflection and

      My point was that the "invisible breakage" comes from the JS late-loading. If you only pull it out of SW cache, it's always on-time (early).

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @slightlylate @WebReflection and

      (this of course presumes you're serving some HTML to the renderer out of your SW on 2nd+ loads, but that's a different topic)

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    9. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 30 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @slightlylate @WebReflection and

      Sounds like old-school isomorphic web dev: sep render/update engines on server vs client. Think this ship's sailed https://www.amazon.com/Isomorphic-Development-JavaScript-universal-applications/dp/161729439X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504107551&sr=8-3&keywords=isomorphic+javascript …

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    10. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 30 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @slightlylate and

      Surely you're not expecting modern web **applications** like Ryan's hypothetical calculator to work without JavaScript???

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      Replying to @AdamRackis @WebReflection and

      How much code are we talking? If it's not much, then why ever paint (SSR) liar-pixels that don't do anything?

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        2. Ryan Florence‏ @ryanflorence 30 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @slightlylate @AdamRackis and

          I agree, don't render interactive elements on the server, unless they also work w/o JS (basically, only render links)

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        3. Andrea Giammarchi‏ @WebReflection 30 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @ryanflorence @slightlylate and

          (and forms ... you don't need JS to start typing / filling up a form)

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        1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @slightlylate @AdamRackis and

          The uncanny valley needs to end. Many ways to get there, none of them ideal in all scenarios. It's all tradeoffs all the way down.

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        2. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 30 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @slightlylate @WebReflection and

          So my eCommerce customers can see the thing I want them to buy 300ms sooner to improve their chances of buying it.

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        3. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 30 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @AdamRackis @slightlylate and

          Beyond eCommerce, yeah, I've not seen a huge benefit to SSR. React so damn fast on its own, it's never seemed worth the effort for me.

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