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    1. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 21 Jun 2017
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      It's basically like asking why everyone doesn't ship their own selector library anymore; everyone uses querySelectorAll these days.

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    2. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 21 Jun 2017
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      Replying to @domenic @jaffathecake @tomdale

      The problem is that the browser's parser isn't as ergonomic to use as querySelectorAll, yet. The "HTML imports problem" is to fix that.

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    3. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 21 Jun 2017
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      This is assuming that Angular/React/Glimmer ship their own HTML parser to the client, but they don't.

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    4. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 21 Jun 2017
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      Replying to @tomdale @domenic @jaffathecake

      BTW I am in favor of SSR and using browser HTML to bootstrap the page. But for "updating," skipping HTML parsing altogether more efficient.

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    5. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 21 Jun 2017
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      That seems very doubtful. But there is a lack of numbers on both sides of this discussion, so I cannot be sure.

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    6. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 21 Jun 2017
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      E.g., https://hnpwa.com . Preact impl outperforms Polymer. You think it's possible for Polymer to eventually outperform w/o build step?

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    7. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 21 Jun 2017
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      Replying to @tomdale @jaffathecake

      Was just telling @slightlylate I'd really prefer to benchmark this specific question (in an app) instead of pitting frameworks vs each other

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    8. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 21 Jun 2017
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      Replying to @domenic @jaffathecake @slightlylate

      The "connect components to DOM" cost is what pushes people away from native HTML. Maybe a missing primitive here?

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    9. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 21 Jun 2017
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      E.g. if I have to walk the tree and assign DOM elements to backing components anyway, may as well create the DOM myself.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    10. Jason Miller  🦊 ⚛‏ @_developit 21 Jun 2017
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      Replying to @tomdale @domenic and

      Agreed - it's initially quite a bit cheaper to use HTML (this surprises me continually) via insertAdjacentHTML(), but mutation kills that.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 21 Jun 2017
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      insertAdjacentHTML runs the parser, avoids creating wrappers if not needed, etc.

      11:19 AM - 21 Jun 2017
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        2. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 21 Jun 2017
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          Seems like https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/270 … could help even the playing field by being side-effect free and skipping HTML parse altogether?

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        2. Dominic Gannaway‏ @trueadm 21 Jun 2017
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          It would be good if we could somehow get back an array of DOM references from HTML by somehow marking them without walking/querySelectors

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        3. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 21 Jun 2017
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          Why would some other kind of mark be faster than classes & querySelector?

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