Demo happened to show off some other cool tech which helps users of the framework serve faster (a good thing!)...but oy. Must do better.
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Replying to @slightlylate @ken_wheeler and
still, measuring hello world apps are next to useless. It'll be 100kb if FW is 100kb. 50kb if FW is 50kb.
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Replying to @intelligibabble @slightlylate and
once you get into the Real App territory, this stuff starts to be marginal. There are problems of bloat in both cases,
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Replying to @intelligibabble @slightlylate and
but i'm tired of hearing the extra 30k that preact is going to save me when i'm seeing real companies like Airbnb produce 2MB+ bundles
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Replying to @intelligibabble @slightlylate and
I think the real wins will come from FW and tools providing real patterns to prevent that bloat but also build complex apps
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Replying to @intelligibabble @ken_wheeler and
We agree! I'm worried that most of these popular tools are leaving reasonable performance as an exercise to the reader.
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Replying to @slightlylate @ken_wheeler and
totally. I just don't think that a "hello world app being 100kb" is the problem. I mean, that's not great if your end goal is hello world
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Replying to @intelligibabble @slightlylate and
i think it accentuates the FW size rather than the patterns and tooling around the FW.
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Replying to @intelligibabble @slightlylate and
we should instead be measuring the sizes of real apps being delivered to real users. I don't think the state of that world is good either
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Replying to @intelligibabble @slightlylate and
but it'll cause people to focus on "oh maybe i should code split" instead of "oh i should use a smaller FW"
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I work with many teams. The ones that succeed in producing good experiences without major launch-blocking perf fires start w/ better tools 
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Replying to @slightlylate @intelligibabble and
I find it odd that 100kb could be deemed worthwhile... that size dictates your entry bundle size, which needs to be as small as possible.
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Replying to @_developit @slightlylate and
All depends on your user demographics. Out medical management software has > 1MB initial load. Things run fine in practice.
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