Which from the markup perspective means we don't actually learn much about user needs. Crawlers don't see them.
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So there might be universes being born and dying out in JS land, but the markup world doesn't think of them as "their problem".
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Web Components -- incl AMP vocabulary -- begin to force the question. If something really *is* common & we can prove it, why not standard?
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Obviously the form of the built-in will change vs. whatever's in AMP or any other library, but now that's an argument for data to help solve
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So this isn't so much "bizzaro HTML" as it is what we were doing anyway out in script, but exposed to markup, which helps us learn faster
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So another way to say "the JS ecosystem ignores markup" is to say that this markup-based approach is counterweight to a JS-based ecosystem.
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I'm receptive to that. The joy and accessibility of the web as a platform comes from all the stuff you can do before you resort to JS.
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The part that gives me squicks is folding this work into AMP, which has specific design goals centered around making Google more money.
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If Chrome were throwing a bunch of new tags into HTML that turned common JS framework idioms into tags, I would be 100% on board with that.
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But AMP seems to be about subverting and reinventing HTML to make it more profitable, and only tangential at best to needs of developers.
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I can't speak for the AMP team; you'll have to talk to @cramforce for that. I'm just noting that some of their elements are great.
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