If you do design inside formal standards process, you destroy the ability to iterate. Standards (narrowly) are about documents, not design
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So to make good standards, we need more inputs, more explorations, more reports from the field & more research. More design + iterate.
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One of the worst parts of the JS ecosystem is that it walls itself off from markup. It tries to act as though it's "above" or disconnected
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...and so we see endless re-invention of the same components, over and over, without any real connection to markup.
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Which from the markup perspective means we don't actually learn much about user needs. Crawlers don't see them.
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So there might be universes being born and dying out in JS land, but the markup world doesn't think of them as "their problem".
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Web Components -- incl AMP vocabulary -- begin to force the question. If something really *is* common & we can prove it, why not standard?
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Obviously the form of the built-in will change vs. whatever's in AMP or any other library, but now that's an argument for data to help solve
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So this isn't so much "bizzaro HTML" as it is what we were doing anyway out in script, but exposed to markup, which helps us learn faster
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So another way to say "the JS ecosystem ignores markup" is to say that this markup-based approach is counterweight to a JS-based ecosystem.
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Yeah; but the interop thing is also real. People *want* a component lingua-franca (at least the people who aren't making frameworks).
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