: ...or deliver those features in a timely fashion because you've bitten off a few hundred more K of JS than you could really afford
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there needs to be balance. I'm just saying that TTI isn't the _only_ metric that matters to users. They like new features, too
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Replying to @BenLesh @slightlylate
quality of existing features is often better than new features. New features didn't make the iPhone a success.
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Replying to @jaffathecake @slightlylate
Improving quality of existing features still relies on your ability to rapidly make changes, A/B test etc
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the oversight here is that frameworks/etc wouldn't have come into existence if the platform wasn't painful
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From the outside it seems platform folks aren't _really_ working with framework folks and vice versa, AFAICT.
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The platform's state the driver for all FW existence, if you want to eliminate FWs, improve the platform.
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: it's an interesting assertion. My experience is that tools do not use what is already there, targeting LCD instead
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: e.g., why do most of these toolchains bloat the JS they transpile for browsers that have those features natively?
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...so this should be a temporary problem.
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: I'm hoping so, but those aren't the defaults today 

/cc @BenLesh @jaffathecake
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Maybe they're waiting for <script type=module> & <script nomodule> to ship?
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