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Replying to @slightlylate @asolove
: we can have some nice things, in moderation, but community assumptions abt affordability are *wildly* wrong
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Replying to @slightlylate @jordwalke
100% agree. Does "throw out your frameworks" help accomplish this? Everyone here agreeing except for that slogan.
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Replying to @asolove
: helps people understand the overhead/value tradeoff more clearly. Most haven't seen a zero-js page in years.
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Replying to @slightlylate @asolove
: we can add FWs back in, but only when we start from fast and don't let that regress.
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Replying to @slightlylate @asolove
: there are vanishingly few acceptable FW-bases approaches today: Polymer PRPL, Preact's new stuff, FK React work
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Replying to @slightlylate @jordwalke
How interesting that none of those three meet your slogan "throw out your frameworks."
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Replying to @asolove
: they're the few that don't require it. I hope that set grows!
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Replying to @slightlylate @jordwalke
if you accept that sociology of webdevs led to current bad situation, how does what we say/do help?
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If you say "no frameworks", devs will look elsewhere because they have shit to do now and want a pattern.
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: that broken counterfactual leads predictably to the sorts of broken experiences I see daily.
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I think the point here is where we put our focus. If you choose a framework based solely on DX, might hurt
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Replying to @_developit @slightlylate and
2/ If you choose a framework based on the weight & performance, the focus is on user experience.
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