For that, you'll need some abstraction layer on top (framework for lack of a better term).
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Replying to @jordwalke
: sure. And we should judge those tools by the apps people produce w/ them. I'm not anti-React, FWIW.
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Started at "time to throw our your frameworks." Don't see how you can say both of these. Either is ok. But both?
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Replying to @slightlylate @asolove
: we can have some nice things, in moderation, but community assumptions abt affordability are *wildly* wrong
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Replying to @slightlylate @jordwalke
100% agree. Does "throw out your frameworks" help accomplish this? Everyone here agreeing except for that slogan.
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Replying to @asolove
: helps people understand the overhead/value tradeoff more clearly. Most haven't seen a zero-js page in years.
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Replying to @slightlylate @asolove
: we can add FWs back in, but only when we start from fast and don't let that regress.
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: there are vanishingly few acceptable FW-bases approaches today: Polymer PRPL, Preact's new stuff, FK React work
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Replying to @slightlylate @jordwalke
How interesting that none of those three meet your slogan "throw out your frameworks."
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: they're the few that don't require it. I hope that set grows!
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Replying to @slightlylate @jordwalke
if you accept that sociology of webdevs led to current bad situation, how does what we say/do help?
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If you say "no frameworks", devs will look elsewhere because they have shit to do now and want a pattern.
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