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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : baaaaascially current build/module/load systems & framework integrations don't load granularly enough, nor cache enough

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : the interplay of these things takes a long time to tease out; most frameworks don't own all parts. Farming bits out.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : but when I sit down to trace, e.g., a frameworky app these days, I know what I'm gonna see most times...

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : maybe some "server-rendered" early UI, but almost always a big bundle of script that pegs mobile CPU for seconds

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    5. Evan You‏ @youyuxi 28 Aug 2016
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      WC alone is close to raw DOM, but I doubt FWs being re-built on WC solves that. e.g. Polymer ain’t fastest

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : go take a trace of http://shop.polymer-project.org  on a real phone on a real network. Srsly, do it.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : ...what you'll see is that even if Polymer "isn't the fastest", it sure gets interactive components on screen fast

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : and that's not about Polymer, it's about how Polymer is using selective Custom Elements ugprade

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    9. Evan You‏ @youyuxi 28 Aug 2016
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      isn’t PWA/ServiceWorker supposed to work equally well for all FWs according to @addyosmani? Now it’s WC specific?

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : no, of course it's not FW specific. It's just that Polymer has done the best job to date of wrapping it all up.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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      : I'm confident that Vue.js can adopt a lot of these techniques and get much faster as a result.

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        2. Evan You‏ @youyuxi 28 Aug 2016
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          sure, but that doesn’t require using WC as leaf nodes right?

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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          : nope! doesn't require it. You'll need to re-build a lot of infrastructure to get similar ergonomics, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Aug 2016
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          : the thing to be watching for here is "time to interactive".

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        3. Addy Osmani‏Verified account @addyosmani 28 Aug 2016
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          I want to see as *many* devs empowered to ship fast PWAs as possible. We'll get out more tooling & guides on TTI soon

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