@slightlylate that's the broader question intimated by posts like this. I have independently considered the question, and came to realize...
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@slightlylate that violence is not something I'm willing to apply against others in an effort to achieve desired ends, collective or other.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@csuwildcat : your counterfactual is ignorant of something approaching all of human history.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @slightlylate
@slightlylate it's not a counterfactual - it's fully within our ability to not resort to violence. Falling short of that != counterfactual.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate furthermore, I'm willing two conceded that placing individual liberties above the collective can make certain things harder...1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate to*. But I'd argue liberty *itself* is worth more than optimizations at the expense of dictating the lives of others via force1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@csuwildcat : this, again, comes down to your counterfactual; do you imagine a world without govts is violence-free? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/history-and-the-decline-of-human-violence/ …1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate no, we'll probably never have a world free of violence, but we wouldn't be imposing systemic violence on non-violent innocents2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@csuwildcat : I don't understand how, on the one hand, you venerate the founders and, on the other, rail against their system. Weird.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate that's a false choice: the system, and any of its failures, aren't bound to my view of their statements on liberty.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
@csuwildcat : also, absolutely not a false choice. You'd like to curtail govt powers...you would go about that how? Not voting, it seems.
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