@slightlylate what is the central question in your view? Whether violating liberties can be justified if it enables some collective outcome?
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Replying to @csuwildcat
@slightlylate that's the broader question intimated by posts like this. I have independently considered the question, and came to realize...1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate that violence is not something I'm willing to apply against others in an effort to achieve desired ends, collective or other.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@csuwildcat : your counterfactual is ignorant of something approaching all of human history.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @slightlylate
@slightlylate it's not a counterfactual - it's fully within our ability to not resort to violence. Falling short of that != counterfactual.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate furthermore, I'm willing two conceded that placing individual liberties above the collective can make certain things harder...1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate to*. But I'd argue liberty *itself* is worth more than optimizations at the expense of dictating the lives of others via force1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@csuwildcat : this, again, comes down to your counterfactual; do you imagine a world without govts is violence-free? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/history-and-the-decline-of-human-violence/ …1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate no, we'll probably never have a world free of violence, but we wouldn't be imposing systemic violence on non-violent innocents2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@slightlylate every time you go to cast a vote to dictate a subjective end, you are delegating the use of force to make others comply.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
@csuwildcat : so you think voting and democracy should be replaced with...?
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