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    Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 21
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    The devastating results in this post highlight how much of good performance (like good a11y) is cultural: does praise come from doing a great job about that? Do folks within a culture gain status and reward for doing it well? https://timkadlec.com/remembers/2020-04-21-the-cost-of-javascript-frameworks/ …

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      2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 21
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        This is why I keep saying that the biggest thing about teams making affirmative choices not to go with the flow is the biggest indicator of success: the cultural support needed to move away from the dominant tools signifies a reorientation of values.

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 21
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        Obviously, that's not 1:1. Teams can make uniquely *bad* choices too. But when the mainstream direction of travel is so dire, the subset that do better are by definition explorers and iconoclasts.

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      4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 21
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        And they don't usually mean to be! Nobody who's far along the journey of "we scraped the expensive Framework X rewrite" is having a good time. But the motivation to do that comes from values that are different to the dominant values in Framework X's culture, not tech superiority

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      2. Gavin Doughtie‏ @gavindoughtie Apr 21
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        Replying to @slightlylate

        When “the platform” is a thirty year-old kruftbucket and someone who’s paying you insists that you have to support users stuck in a decade that starts with a “0” can you really have no sympathy for the 180K devil?

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 21
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        I've been on every side of this equation. My sympathy extends as far as the lack of alternatives.

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      2. Mehrdad Reshadi‏ @MehrdadReshadi Apr 21
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        Replying to @slightlylate

        There is no dispute that some frameworks add a lot of extra code, but by managing some complexity, they enable you to handle/create more complex apps. SPAs are not just about page load. The power of the app is usually missing in these comparisons.

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      3. Florens Verschelde‏ @fvsch Apr 22
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        Replying to @MehrdadReshadi @slightlylate

        See the CPU time for React apps in the post. Out of the box, the leading reactive view framework takes twice as much CPU as its main competitors. Of course that can be optimized but it takes expertise and time so is not realistically happening.

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      1. saladass117‏ @saladass117 Apr 21
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        "a lighter alternative (@preactjs , @sveltejs, etc.) that gets you 90% of the way there" what are the missing 10% ?

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