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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. '); DROP Ţ̸͓̠̼͖̖̆ͫ̑̒̿ͪ͞A̐͏̠̫͔̰̖ͅͅB̉͌͒̈LE name; --‏ @fardarter Apr 20
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      This is work. It takes time and knowledge to do. We can't both say that this career takes skill and also insist it's easy. That's mad.

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    2. Matthew Somerville‏ @dracos Apr 20
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      I don't think anyone said that? Anyway, the solution in this particular example is that chart.js should permit shaking/module selection etc. I almost didn't use it when I realised it didn't.

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    3. '); DROP Ţ̸͓̠̼͖̖̆ͫ̑̒̿ͪ͞A̐͏̠̫͔̰̖ͅͅB̉͌͒̈LE name; --‏ @fardarter Apr 20
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      I feel very much that this is Alex's message. He spends a lot of time blaming developers. If that doesn't apply to you I don't direct it at you.

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    4. Matthew Somerville‏ @dracos Apr 20
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      There is a lot of blame to go round. Developers are definitely a part of it. Witness the site that started this thread. <shrug>

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    5. '); DROP Ţ̸͓̠̼͖̖̆ͫ̑̒̿ͪ͞A̐͏̠̫͔̰̖ͅͅB̉͌͒̈LE name; --‏ @fardarter Apr 20
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      Yeah, no, I don't think developers are to blame. I think people who have been doing this a long time forget that for most people this is very hard work and they're feeling in the dark. It takes expertise to be simple. It is the mark of expertise.

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    6. Matthew Somerville‏ @dracos Apr 20
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      Again, in this particular example, this was a site that can be a handful of static HTML files and some light JS being megabytes of JS/JSON. There are failures everywhere in the chain for something like that. A simple HTML site does not require expertise, it defaults to simple.

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    7. '); DROP Ţ̸͓̠̼͖̖̆ͫ̑̒̿ͪ͞A̐͏̠̫͔̰̖ͅͅB̉͌͒̈LE name; --‏ @fardarter Apr 20
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      Cutting chart.js down to 13kb does though. Which was the example used. Either you're an expert or what you do is easy. I'm going to say you're an expert but you're welcome to argue against that.

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    8. Matthew Somerville‏ @dracos Apr 20
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      It was a reply in an existing thread about a site I had made, sorry if you missed the context. I would not expect most people to do that, no. The issue is that I fitted the entire site (including full-size chart.js!) in less bandwidth than one JSON data file it uses.

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    9. '); DROP Ţ̸͓̠̼͖̖̆ͫ̑̒̿ͪ͞A̐͏̠̫͔̰̖ͅͅB̉͌͒̈LE name; --‏ @fardarter Apr 20
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      And that's great. But the purpose to which Alex is putting your tweet is to imply that anyone with a brain or any semblance of professional pride could do that. I'd rather respect the skill for what it is: hard earned.

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    10. Matthew Somerville‏ @dracos Apr 20
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      But you seem to think/imply I did something special/magic. I used basic PHP to parse some JSON and print it out. I used default Leaflet and chart.js, and some very basic JS on top. I think anyone with basic webdev skills in those areas could do it, yes.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 20
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      I daresay that what you did was probably easier and faster (at development time, not design) than the original! We've entered an upside down where those approaches aren't taught, tho. And that's a community-wide failure of norms and values.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 20
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          When you aren't taught the basics, returning to them implies a lot of learning (rather than just direct doing). I suspect that leads to a lot of the incredulity we're hearing in these threads. Folks who don't have confidence they can do the simple thing *actually* find it harder

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        3. '); DROP Ţ̸͓̠̼͖̖̆ͫ̑̒̿ͪ͞A̐͏̠̫͔̰̖ͅͅB̉͌͒̈LE name; --‏ @fardarter Apr 20
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          Folks don't have the knowledge to pare down things into its essence. That's the very mark of mastery.

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        1. '); DROP Ţ̸͓̠̼͖̖̆ͫ̑̒̿ͪ͞A̐͏̠̫͔̰̖ͅͅB̉͌͒̈LE name; --‏ @fardarter Apr 20
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          Replying to @slightlylate @dracos and

          "I daresay that what you did was probably easier and faster (at development time, not design) than the original!" Matthew was very clear that he regards this as skilled work and not just anyone can do it.

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