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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Galays‏ @boubiyeah Apr 19
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      Replying to @floydophone @mikaelgramont @slightlylate

      It's a priority problem. People just don't care about this, at all.

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    2. Alex Galays‏ @boubiyeah Apr 19
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      Replying to @boubiyeah @floydophone and

      Most teams I've seen simply don't keep tabs on their performance budget. React is not a huge offender in the grand scheme of things but neither it is a good citizen/leader, by being pretty fat, feature for feature.

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    3. Alex Galays‏ @boubiyeah Apr 19
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      I mean I've seen the React team promote "cool libs" like drag and drop weighting at >100kb in the past so there is some sort of awareness problem here. If you pay this much for most of your features, of course bloat is the end result.

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    4. Floydophone‏ @floydophone Apr 19
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      What if it’s a really valuable and useful 100kb that’s loaded async?

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    5. Alex Galays‏ @boubiyeah Apr 19
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      Replying to @floydophone @mikaelgramont @slightlylate

      This happens sometimes. For instance, I think it's hard to have a good text editor under 100kb.

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    6. Floydophone‏ @floydophone Apr 19
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      Yeah. I feel like the chrome team mostly only talks to big publishers (since they are the ones that drive most of AdWords the clicks) so their prioritization advice isn’t really valid for a lot of people. I bet the majority of devs build internal tools where none of this matters

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    7. Floydophone‏ @floydophone Apr 19
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      Replying to @floydophone @boubiyeah and

      For example, gmail and google docs don’t really optimize for any of this stuff for good reason. Could you imagine a server rendered version of those!

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    8. Floydophone‏ @floydophone Apr 19
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      Replying to @floydophone @boubiyeah and

      (There is a server rendered version of gmail and no one uses it for a reason)

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    9. Mikael Gramont‏ @mikaelgramont Apr 20
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      You're right of course, but where is the public guidance on whether React (and others) is appropriate for a given type of application? It's just not a thing, and as a result, everyone learns React and uses it for *everything*. Which means we need mechanisms to alleviate the pain.

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    10. Floydophone‏ @floydophone Apr 20
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      it's an interesting thing to think about. where does react end and frontend engineering begin? how much education should the react docs give about web performance generally?

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 20
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      Replying to @floydophone @mikaelgramont @boubiyeah

      First, do no harm. Performamce comes from mastery. Tools come to heel through singular expertise or systemic guardrails. Both must enforce norms that center users. So, can you use Tool X? IDK, are you adept and/or do you have perf budgets in place?

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